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Thanks for link. I hope they launch a clearer campaign without the mixed messages.
Yeah I agree. But it seems lazy and unnecessary to throw rape into their 'drink responsibly' message.
I haven't experienced rape and hated the campaign.
It's just difference of opinions but do think it has been underestimated in this debate how damaging the messages in this campaign are to victims of rape and sexual assault.
Don't tell Dora that, but saying "Don't steal, thief" doesn't prevent thefts.
I was just frustrated with the huge amount of kneejerk this topic brings up.
Better than being a society that isn't bothered, surely?
I probably shouldn't have posted what I did, but since it's an emotive topic it got the better of me.
I didn't say that though did I? I'm saying, mission accomplished, someone tried to put a difficult message out there, and were brow beaten put in their place. Naughty police, making campaigns about crime. How dare they.
All wrong, but at least a step in the right direction? The only 'accepted' campaigns about rape are the most painless ones. The ones where we just pretend it's monsters hiding in cupboards and the only way to stop that is to root them out and hang them up by their testicles, to exclude men from anywhere women might feel vulnerable, essentially just pandering to a stranger danger paranoia. We haven't got to the point yet where we can address the brutal realities of this crime because it's too upsetting.
I disagree with you. I put forward a personal experience and what I think is a good example of why people should be careful about how much they drink, and all of a sudden I'm an apologist for rapists everywhere.
I agree.
I do agree, I just wish that there wasn't shouting down of campaigns like this one. There are some extremely vocal movements that unfortunately do stifle debate in this area.
There's criticism of this campaign because it's a really bad one. It obviously got enough criticism for it to be removed and hopefully replaced with one that doesn't give out really mixed messages to both victim and perpetrator. This isn't about stifling debate. I would argue that is what you're trying to do here.
As for 'painless' campaigns. No idea which one you're referring to but if it in anyway differs fromt this campaign's message of teaching people not to get raped instead of teaching people not to rape then I'm all for it.
Rape is an ugly topic, there's no changing that, but I don't see how trying to reduce the risk all around can possibly be a bad thing. Clearly, others disagree with me, but to me a hard hitting, uncomfortable campaign that points out to some if the dimwits the risky position they are putting themselves in should be praised. Personally I'm impressed that the force had the balls to do it, just a shame they've been beaten down.
In an ideal world, you'd never need to wear a seatbelt in a car - but we do to reduce the risk, and there's no criticism of campaigns encouraging people to do so. Rape is a more emotive topic, but the principle is the same.
I agree with you. I think the ads were perhaps worded a little clumsily, but the message was a valid one.
Any hard-hitting campaign about violent crime is going to upset people who have been victims of that crime, and I can't see a way to avoid that without watering down the message. 'Say no to strangers' would upset you beyond words if your child was abducted and killed by a stranger. Does it mean that the killer was less at fault because the child didn't run away screaming? Obviously not, and I don't know many people who would argue that they were.
In an ideal world we'd all be able to leave our doors unlocked, and accept a lift from a kindly stranger and walk where we want when we want in any state of inebriation, but it's not an ideal world. You'll never stop the offenders from offending, but something we can do is try our best to protect our property, protect our possessions and protect ourselves. And protecting yourself includes not going out and getting totally shitfaced without anyone to look out for you.
I'm with you on that. But how would you change the phrasing?
I thought that was obvious in spite of the clumsy wording, but maybe it isn't?