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Of course, whether the response is a cause or effect of homosexual behaviour is an entirely different question.
Word.
Still no intelligent question?
What do you mean by morality? Whose morality? As I've said - a sense of right and wrong comes from empathy, not some 2000 year old book. Can right and wrong ever be absolute? We generally agree stealing is wrong, yeah? So is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your family? We generally agree killing another human being is wrong yeah? Would you have agreed with killing Hitler?
I've answered it. If you don't like the answer, tough.
On the contrary, its you that isn't thinking. I've provided you with my answer. If you don't like it or can't understand it, then tough shit really.
Getcha popcorn!
Well I'm sorry, but if Fiend asks a question then doesn't like the answer, what can I do?
I can see your command of the English language does not allow you to extend beyond those two words.Tres ennuiyant.
But not to worry, from now on your posts will be kindly(& deservedly) ignored.
ETA:Just as aditional thought, if there is no absolute moral, then all morals are relative, no?
Either way, Jesus says that he is not here for the righteous, but for the sinners (paraphrased as I only know the correct sentence in Danish). The sinners here being the taxmen, prostitutes and other outcasts.
When excluding other people from hell, don't you denounce the message of Jesus?
I've fucking answered it you moron.
No I am not. I am interested in this, and have a problem accepting the disapproval against other beliefs and faiths - therfore wanting to explore the justification of this further.
Again, care to elaborate?
So, just to clarify, your point is that because Jesus came to save, to suggest that people who don't believe that He did are going to hell is counter to His teaching?
Ok, have a look at Matt 11:20-24 on unrepentant cities. Matt 18:7-9 on the importance of repentance and the consquences, Luke 12:8-10 on acknoledging the Son of Man, Luke 13:1-9 on repentance and second chances, John 3:16-18 that is one of the more famous passages. All except for that last one is stuff that was taught by Christ Himself, not that it matters to me, I take the whole bible as equal, but just so no-one can say that it was the teaching of Paul, of Peter, or of John that I've got it from.
Yep, me too. It strikes me that Fiend is looking for moral certainy where there isn't any. No, I don't think its all relative (as I've already said and you'd know that if you'd been reading my posts properly Fiend), but I don't think morals are absolute either. In fact, "moral" is such a loaded term, implying all sorts of judgements and proscriptions that I don't think it is actually a very useful term. I prefer to thibk of my ethics - which are based on the fact that all human beings have the potential for empathy (as I have already said), although this has to be nurtured, a belief in the autonomony and personal responsibility of humans (although this also has to be nurtured) and a belief in the co-operative nature of human relationships. Now obviously this all gets rather complicated when you take into account the nature of power, hegemony and idealogy, but I do believe, given the right circumstances, people can make their own decisions about what is right or wrong and don't need to rely on some external father figure to make them behave. i don't think that right and wrong is fixed either - see my earlier example about stealing - but I do think people are capable of deciding things for themselves given equal access to information and equal power.
Does that answer your question Fiend? Because if it doesn't, there's nothing else I can do.
Things aren't just this or that. Human behaviour is messy and contradictory. You seem to see the world in a very black and white way. You seem to want certainty where there isn't any. Its OK not to know y'know.
BTW how about actually engaging with my post?
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Know an online New Testament?
And my point was more, that Jesus according to the New Testament embraced everyone, while sending people to hell for not believing is not a message which I would say would fit his charcteristica.
Geddit?
http://bible.crosswalk.com/ I recommend King James, New King Jame, American Standard and New American Standard translations, New Century Version will do you fine as well.
Just to be clear, they're all fine, just a personal preference of mine.