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No, I'm asking you what you mean by your question. Do I think that our societies morals (based on Judeo-Christian ideals btw) are good and "true"? Well no. I don't think that rewarding greed and competitiveness is good, I don't think that the media representations of sexuality and women are a good thing, I don't think that a society which values possessions over people and relationships is a good thing. I don't however need to believe in sky pixies to come to the conclusion that human relationships are more important than things - my experience leads me to that conclusion.
I didn't say that. At all, I have said, the only standard is to believe christ has died to save you. You don't have to do anything else.
You really need to answer the questions, and stop argueing semantics and side-steping the issue. You would be foaming at the mouth if anyone buggered about like this with you.
Well I'm hoping to change your experience.
I've answered your question within the narrow frame that you asked it. Maybe you need to think about what you actually mean by it?
I have answered your question. Unfortunatly your question brings up so many other issues about what you mean by morals, about power, how idealogy works etc that maybe you need to think about these things?
I've told you where I get my sense of right and wrong from. What more do you want?
I think it is, yes. I'm always open to learning and growing from my experiences however.
Straying back near the original thread topic, the problem that I have with religious people (not specifically Christians) is this:
You're talking about living a moral life, and making the right decisions and so on. That's up to you - if that's what you want to do, then do it. But what makes you think that other people should abide by their moral code? What right have you to suggest that they should? Why should your Christian definition of marriage, to revisit an example discussed (although not to conclusion) a few pages back, override other people's?
You go off and live your Christian life by all means, but when you start judging other people on the basis of your beliefs, you cannot be surprised when people start answering back and you cannot object to their doing so. Your principles are no more above criticism than anyone else's. That, I feel, is a lesson that a great many religious folk have yet to learn.
For themselves, yes.
About christians. the teaching specifically states that you cannot stand by and do nothing. Hence the torturing of people for centuries to "save their souls" because that was he improtant bit, the flesh being seen as temporary and wastable. :rolleyes:
It's one of the most aggressive memes there is, tbh.
I think that every human being has the potential to be capable of empathy and love.
I. e. imperfect.
Anyway, according to whom you're not 'completely innocent unless God is given the glory he deserves'? That's just an opinion. But if it is possible to be 'completely innocent' at all, then it is every bit as possible to be so without worshipping anyone.
And it is not possible to be completely innocent without worshiping God
In Leviticus 11:43-47, God concludes his instructions on meats with these words:
"You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing...neither shall you make yourselves unclean with them that you should be defiled thereby. For I am the Lord your God: you shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and you shall be holy...you shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. This is the law of the beasts...to make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten." (Emphasis added.)
God regarded humans to be "defiled" or "unclean" if they ate the flesh of "unclean" animals. He expected the Israelites to refrain from unclean meats to maintain a state of "holiness" in his sight. As noted earlier, the early New Testament church obeyed God's instructions in Leviticus 11. The Apostle Peter recoiled at the thought of eating unclean meats (Acts 10:14), and the Apostle Paul wrote that animal flesh had to be sanctified in "the word of God" (Old Testament scriptures) before it could be eaten. Consider also Paul's instructions in II Corinthians 6:16-18. After commenting on the importance of being separate from the sinfulness of the world in verses 14-16, Paul writes (in the KJV):
"...for you are the Temple of the living God; as God hath said, 'I will dwell in them and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people, Wherefore come out from among them, and be you separate,' saith the Lord, 'and touch not the unclean thing: and I will receive you, and will be a father to you and you shall be my sons and daughters.'" (Emphasis added.)
Interesting! While writing to a congregation in a Gentile community, Paul quotes God's (Old Testament) instructions to "touch not the unclean thing" as part of a commentary on maintaining Christian holiness. In citing the scriptures of the Hebrew Bible, Paul was likely referring to forbidden meats as "unclean things," especially since his fellow Apostle, Peter, specifically used the word "unclean" to describe forbidden meats (Acts 10:14). Even as the Israelites were forbidden to eat unclean meats as part of their "holiness" obligation toward God, Paul told early Christians to also avoid "unclean things" as part of their "holiness" obligation toward God. In other words, Paul was telling Corinthian Christians they would be defiling their bodies ("the temple of the living God") if they "touched unclean things."
The above passage indicates that even Paul, the "apostle to the Gentiles," affirmed that the animal meat restrictions of the Old Testament were binding on New Testament Christians. Somehow, this fact has been overlooked by virtually all of modern Christendom.
http://www.biblestudy.org/basicart/peruncln2.html
I may be wrong and I certainly have no problem with anybody's religious beliefs which don't affect me personally, but, I wonder if you've ever dropped a prior self-realised belief because of your christianity. Not many do, their religion tends to blend seamlessly into their own worldview (prejudices). :angel:
And come to think of it, if you're suggesting that those who break any of the Commandments will be sent to Hell (as you appeared to do earlier when you said you believe those who did not worship God would end up there), the current population of Heaven would be a whole number between 1 and -1.
How wicked of mankind eh?
Specifically Vs 15 'The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
Matt 15:1-20
Specifically Vs 16-18 '"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. "Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean'"'
1 Corinthians 8:1-11:1
Specifically Ch 10 Vs 25-26 'Eat anything sold in the meat amrket without raising questions of conscience, for "the earth is the Lord's and eveyrthing in it"'
Ok, so don't try the shellfish arguement on me. For the record, I don't like it much, so don't eat it.
Actually there has, Christ.
Well, it would be, if it weren't for the fact that christ was innocent and took a punishment undeserved so that those who believe can go to heaven.
Some complete education you got there.