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You're avioding the question... So, if the majority believe a set of morals, are they correct? Does that make the minority wrong? And if it's not relative? What is it?
It applies the same. It's the same for everyone.
Fair enough. By goodness how this debate has gone off topic!
Maybe. I don't have a problem with Christians and I really respect you for standing up for what you believe in and standing by your points, but I still think it harsh that I'm supposedly going to hell.
What sort of a Christian are you? Because I know opinions very from each sub-religion (dunno what to call it), like for example the Quakers believe gay people should be able to marry and have equal rights don't they? I haven't looked into it but that's what they told us in school :yes:
I'm not a type, really, I've just a christian that believes in the bible.
The parts that accord with your prejudices?
So you have your own beliefs and don't follow any actual set Catholic, Protestant, Quaker ect. views? Is it a mixture? Am just interested to see if you think any of these Christian views in your own religion are wrong.
Chaos - in what sense?
As I said, Quakers believe that gay people aren't doing anything wrong and should have equal rights and be allowed to marry.
Catholics believe being gay is something that should be able to be cured through faith, and that gay sex is a sin.
Who is right? Surely if you believe Christianity is essentially the perfect and correct religion how can you be sure which differing views on certain subject matters are correct?
So are you then saying that you're a Christian but you have your own, personal interperetation of the Bible? If some of the things they say are wrong then isn't it possible that maybe you have interpereted some things wrong? Sorry to be pedantic....guess I'm going off topic even more now :impissed:
No, I don't have my own personal interpretation of the bible.
I'm not avoiding the question, I've answered it the best I can and asked you to be more specific. My moral code is based on the belief (or intuitive feeling if you like) that human beings are capable of empathy and love, we are capable of co-operation and we all have equal rights to life. Do I think that majority morals are right? Well no I don't, that should be obvious from my political stance. But you need to be more specific about what you mean - how is that majority moral code (idealogy) transmitted? Who has control over it? What do they stand to gain/lose? What power do they have? An understanding of hegemony is useful here and a basic knowledge of Gramsci's thoughts.
how is that majority moral code (idealogy) transmitted? Who has control over it?
Exactly what you need to answer
No, not by defination, in fact. There are things done by other "chrisitans" accordingt o religious dogma, that doesn't even come close to ANYTHING said the bible, so it can't be an interpretation.
And the second question please?
And I was saying that is simply rubbish. You don't need to believe in God, let alone worship him, to be completely innocent, or good. I've met a number of people just like that. And frankly I find suggestions that only those who choose to adhere to certain religious beliefs can be truly good or innocent ludicrous, patronising, insulting and utterly absurd in equal measures.
From my experience it's actually the opposite. The more religious a person is, the more likely it is they will be intolerant and cruel. Not with everyone naturally, but with a great many.
So they just aren't Christians then?
So Catholics who follow the Popes stance on contraception etc simply are not Chritians because therre can only be one correct interpretation and they have it wrong?
yes, it is entirely possible, I am after all only human, as are the people that teach me. I try very hard to match up the things I learn to the core value, so hopefully, I can't go far wrong, if I do those first.
Matthew 22:34-40
34 But the Pharisees, hearing how the mouths of the Sadducees had been stopped, came together; 35 And one of them, a teacher of the law, put a question to him, testing him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the chief rule in the law? 37 And he said to him, Have love for the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest rule. 39 And a second like it is this, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself. 40 On these two rules all the law and the prophets are based
If I love my neighbour, as I love myself, and love God with all I have, before I do anything else. I shouldn't stray too far.