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Jobless Couple With 12 Children Are Given £500,00 House

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm saying what I think too. Hey, we're all happy. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote: »
    I'm saying what I think too. Hey, we're all happy. :)
    No, you were saying something that was not in any way true.

    Show me where I was supposedly whinging about how much he earns?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ho hum :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote: »
    Ho hum :)
    Exactly. You can't, because I didn't.

    You're a fucking dick, seriously.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Franki wrote: »
    my dad (who earns upwards of £100k a year) can't afford to buy a house over here),

    "My dad earns shit loads but can't afford to buy a house"...except he can, so stop moaning about how hard done by you are. You're not, you're very privileged. If you don't want people commenting on your family stuff, don't post about it. Sorted. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote: »
    "My dad earns shit loads but can't afford to buy a house"...except he can, so stop moaning about how hard done by you are. You're not, you're very privileged. If you don't want people commenting on your family stuff, don't post about it. Sorted. :)
    I didn't say I was hard done by. I never even said my dad was hard done by. I am fully, fully aware of how lucky I am to have a dad that earns that much and therefore can help me out when I need it. However I also have a dad who lives thousands of miles away and who I barely ever see. My dad CAN'T afford a house over here due to various factors, most of which I don't even understand, because I don't know much about these things. But he has said that when he retires he needs somewhere which is big enough for his family but where the mortgage repayments will be enough that my stepmum will be able to pay them and support the family by herself. And right now he can't find that.

    Fucking hell. I made one fucking comment which I didn't expect anyone to pick up on and it turns into this.

    Besides, that is NOT whinging about how much fucking money he has.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you don't want people to comment on what you post, don't post it. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I said I wasn't expecting them to, not that I didn't want them to. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry, but if you post about how rich your dad is and then moan how hard done by he is, people are gonna pick you up on it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I didn't say he was hard done by. I said he can't afford to buy a house over here right now. You're just misinterpreting what I say.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It looks like you're moaning to me. If you earn £100K+ you can afford a 4 or 5 bedroom house in Cirencester. Simple as that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote: »
    It looks like you're moaning to me. If you earn £100K+ you can afford a 4 or 5 bedroom house in Cirencester. Simple as that.
    I wasn't moaning. You'd know if I was moaning. Want me to go into a rant about my boyfriend's living situation? That would be moaning, with good reason.

    And obviously it's NOT simple as that, since he can't. Like I said, I don't know all the details but it involves what will happen when they actually move here and he's no longer earning £100k+, and they'll be living off my stepmum's earnings. If he was going to continue earning that much then yeh, he could, but he's retiring in 5 or so years (although he should be retiring next year, really), and so he won't be.

    Is that any clearer for you, or are you still going to keep trying to tell me that they'll still be able to afford it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    whatever, I don't care tbh
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So your stepmum can't afford a 4 bedroom house, not your dad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So your stepmum can't afford a 4 bedroom house, not your dad.
    Sort of. Although he would be paying the mortgage initially. Basically he can't afford it because they wouldn't be able to keep up the repayments when they got back here.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Territt wrote: »
    why not let them starve, they have no reason not to work, they chose not to, why can’t we just choose not to give them handouts?

    You are joking right?

    You'd let kids starve?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    IIf they manage to raise their kids to be socially responsible citizens, I'd be happy to admit I got it wrong.

    Interesting.

    How is it "socially responsible" to want to see a family house in something smaller than they need?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Regardless of the specifics in this case, it is a bit messed up when it is £100 a week worse for this man to be in work than at home sitting on his arse.

    Yeah, but no-one wants to cover the issue of low wages...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, this thread's shown no surprises so far. Franki's comment about her father earning a tidy sum brings out the class warrior instinct in the socialist Blagsta, much to no one's surprise. This is from a man who lives in London, and therefore should know first hand just how expensive housing can be.
    Interesting. How is it "socially responsible" to want to see a family house in something smaller than they need?
    On reflection, it isn't their fault that the house is worth so much. It's in Berkshire, after all - quite an expensive area for property, I gather. But just look at the pictures in the press of the house. It's a lovely house, they're getting it for free, and they just don't seem very appreciative of that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    But just look at the pictures in the press of the house. It's a lovely house, they're getting it for free, and they just don't seem very appreciative of that.

    And how the hell do you know they're not appreciative of it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Well, this thread's shown no surprises so far. Franki's comment about her father earning a tidy sum brings out the class warrior instinct in the socialist Blagsta, much to no one's surprise. This is from a man who lives in London, and therefore should know first hand just how expensive housing can be.

    To be fair he also knows that earning £100k is much higher than national averages for people who can afford housing. Hell, on that sort of salary it's very difficult to understand how it isn't possible to afford anything. However, this thread isn't about Franki - it's about another family.
    On reflection, it isn't their fault that the house is worth so much.

    Precisely. I could never afford the house which I live in. It's worth approximately £300k, but then I live in Kent and fuck me the prices are high around here.

    I am lucky enough to live in rented "low-cost" accomodation. Something which previous Tory Govts saw fit to reduce. It's partly why we end up with situations like this.
    But just look at the pictures in the press of the house. It's a lovely house, they're getting it for free

    And that, I suspect, is the real issue with some of the comments here. It's not about the need to provide appropriate housing for a family of 14 which ensures that they are able to function as a family giving the children the best chance of making something of themselves in this world.

    No, most of the comments seem to be envious. And that is more a reflection on the posters than it is on the fact that this family have been house in such accomodation.

    Like I said, would people prefer that they were homeless?
    and they just don't seem very appreciative of that.

    So what do you expect, individual letters of thanks to every taxpayer? Perhaps they should get on etheir knees and pray for you understanding?

    In my eyes the best way of thanking us would be to raise children who understand that value of the leg-up which they have been afford and who don't waste what opportunity they have.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    And how the hell do you know they're not appreciative of it?
    Quite.

    The whole article is designed to get a raise out of people and you SG appear to have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, most of the comments seem to be envious. And that is more a reflection on the posters than it is on the fact that this family have been house in such accomodation. Like I said, would people prefer that they were homeless?
    Of course there's a certain amount of envy and jealousy amidst all this. They're getting a lovely house, worth £500,000, without having paid a penny for it. People are naturally going to be envious - I am, that's for sure. If I'd just paid half a million for a house, and saw them moving in next door, having got the house for nothing, I'd be pissed off. Wouldn't you be?
    In my eyes the best way of thanking us would be to raise children who understand that value of the leg-up which they have been afford and who don't waste what opportunity they have.
    Indeed. And I wish them luck in it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    If I'd just paid half a million for a house, and saw them moving in next door, having got the house for nothing, I'd be pissed off. Wouldn't you be?

    Nope. I take pride in the fact that I live in a country which supports people in need, rather than throwing them on the streets to fend for themselves.

    Many times, on this board, the question has been raised "why should these people get ....", or "why should we help these people..." My reply is always the same.

    Because we can.

    We are in such a fortunate position where we have the capability to help out those who are less fortunate, whether through immigration, the NHS, the welfare state, overseas development, charitable donations etc etc and I think it would be remiss of us to say "fuck you, your problem". What kind of society is that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Well, this thread's shown no surprises so far. Franki's comment about her father earning a tidy sum brings out the class warrior instinct in the socialist Blagsta, much to no one's surprise. This is from a man who lives in London, and therefore should know first hand just how expensive housing can be. On reflection, it isn't their fault that the house is worth so much. It's in Berkshire, after all - quite an expensive area for property, I gather. But just look at the pictures in the press of the house. It's a lovely house, they're getting it for free, and they just don't seem very appreciative of that.

    how can you tell from an article like that whether the family are appreciative or not ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ahhh I think this thread is just against people who get help with covering their rent as that means the house has been "given to them"
    anyone on housing benefit is "being given a house for free" and "should starve"

    nice!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How is it "socially responsible" to want to see a family house in something smaller than they need?

    It's wrong, imo.
    and they just don't seem very appreciative of that.

    How did you work that out?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ive been thinking about it,

    why not move the family to somewhere where they can get a house the same size for less then half the price? then could could house two familys for half a million, instead of one
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Territt wrote: »
    ive been thinking about it,

    why not move the family to somewhere where they can get a house the same size for less then half the price? then could could house two familys for half a million, instead of one

    Because they probably wanted to keep them in the same area instead of having to move 8 of the children to a new school, away from other relations and friends and most importantly where the family is happy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Territt wrote: »
    ive been thinking about it,

    why not move the family to somewhere where they can get a house the same size for less then half the price? then could could house two familys for half a million, instead of one

    Hell, why not deport them to a cheap country and pay them to look after the family?
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