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Governments need to be as sure as possible before issuing someone with the death sentence, therefore much more is spent on pre-trial preparation, witnesses, longer trials, jury sequestration and security (due to high profile cases), death row incarceration, and many more reasons that I haven't even begun to touch on, another also being that money spent (or rather, wasted) on excecution isn't going towards rehabilitation or policing - things that can benefit society.
Oh, and there are holes to pick in every single law that's proposed and put forward - I'm simply giving my opinion on one that I felt strongly about. I have nothing against you picking at my argument (since that's all you have to pick at from me right now) - call me not very bright if you so wish, but back it up. Tis your opinion, dude.
Woah, hang on. Let's not be too hasty here.
Laws to go:
1. Road Taxation, increase fuel taxation instead
2. Obscene Publications Act (or whatever it's called now)
3. Misuse of Drugs Act (or whatever it's called these days)
New laws:
1. Tax exemption for armed services personnel
2. Free Uni education for anyone working five years in public sector role after degree achievement
3. Maximum terms of office for all MPs (20 years/four parliaments) and PMs (10 years/2 parliaments) whichever is the longer
I'd get rid of most of the 4000+ pointless laws Labour invented whilst last in power... only 3 will have to think on that...
Well the US does all that, but you don't have too. When the UK had the death penalty you'd be lucky to have to wait a year between been found guilty and the long drop.
China has a very cheap system - bullet in the back of the head. No appeals or anything like that
Nazi Germany, North Korea and the USSR had even cheaper systems where the condemned had to dig their own graves and all three were renowned for very cost-effective ways of getting rid of large numbers of people.
Now I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but the argument it automatically costs more is a complete non-starter
Eh, I naively argued that point on the assumption that we were simply changing laws here, not the whole structure of our society. Oops.
If by the death penalty, you simply mean shooting all thieves in the back of their head, then yes, of course it's cheaper. Fabulous idea. I'm completely won over. :thumb:
So you don't think that moving to a system where we execute minor criminals is changing the structure of our society? :eek2:
Or at least moving it back to the extremely cheap 17th Century system...
That's more along the lines of what I meant by that statement.
To execute minor criminals and commit such immoral acts of punishment in those such ways (ie, no trials!) would be to fall back hundreds of years as a society. To issue such a law in this day and age, have it passed, and then structured like it'd need to be in order to fit into our modern society, would cost us a shit load in taxes. Oh, yes.
Well it might help if you bothered to tell us your assumptions as I think most people assume in the unlikely event we did decide to execute shoplifters our society is probably at a point where we're not worried about the full panoply of the law
The arguments I made (financial ones) were against general execution laws, and the costs of such a thing. I was basing the financial consequences on that of the US, a country similar to ours in the way of culture and running of government, that's all.
There would not be an execution trial everytime someone stole something, the trial would be no differant to a current trial so no extra cost there, but if it happend five times you get executed.
The jury would have no prior knowledge whether the accused has a criminal history so they wouldt know whether the decision would result in death before they make it.
About the wrongfully accused, how does the current goverment justify the wrongfully accused who have spent years inside?
A small percentage may slip through the net, but bear in mind its highly unlikely to get wrongfully convicted five times.
You cant speak for the vast majority of people either, only yourself.
Thats the main aim of the law in mention, to stop people robbing, raping, murdering, mugging, beating, stealing from other people, if you do these things then you can only blame yourself.
Hopefully everybody will behave, but if they dont they need putting down like a dog that bites somebody in the park.
Thus, according to your (rather bizarre) beliefs, everybody should be put to death.
Free Uni places for all who get results of a set level so that people who actually deserve to go onto Uni can and not just the ones who can afford it. This could be funded in part by big recruiters paying a fee to the uni their new graduate employee has just left.
Free sanitry protection for all women.
1. Life imprisonment = 50 years minimum.
2. Child benefit and associated housing benefits only payable for first two children (excluding multiple births)
3. Annual non-EU immigration cap of 10,000 subject to annual review and re-approval
1) Lower the voting age to 16
2) Some sort of law on preventing children being treated on adult mental health wards. (I think there is something in place atm, but it is not working)
3) Make sex education compulsory in all schools
You have a point, in fact i think the execution law would need to only be applicable if all five offences were of a serious (assault, cruelty, endangering, threathening, wounding e.t.c) nature.
You get my vote...
I completely agree with all three :thumb:
I agree. I know some high earners who say they deserve it because "of the amount I pay into the system. I see it as a tax rebate".:yeees:
What about those doing BTECs and Access courses?
- No parent/carer can abuuse there children physically/emotionally or is that alredy a law :chin:
- Kids should get more say on how the country is run.
- And everyone must take part in at least 1 sports activity everyday. :chin:
Kids having more of a say in how the country is run, quite a good idea in theory, need to make sure the age level gets looked at carefully as to avoid the lack of knowledge and maturity affecting things. In principle a good idea, but things like the british youth parliament seem not to be cared about by a lot of british youth.
If more children started voicing their want for what you have suggested, then somewhere down the line it may occur. Though would the kids just be having the same ideas as adults do anyway, or if more child specific things are suggested, by the time they come in a lot of the children may well be adults and the measures wouldnt benefit them, and they may become disenfranchised with the political system.
All in all its a good thought though.
I also really like the sports per day idea, nothing wrong with keeping active and would be a good way for people to make friends and the such, just a shame I on occasion find it difficult to do even gym work each day, having to make it up on other days.
You have made some good suggestions there troubled youngster.
I'm not in the UK, but I think something like that might be better internationally, rather than relying on age which in the end isn't really an indication of maturity.
I reckon if I had enough money, and brought in the schemes I wanted, I could stay in power for ever more, and wouldnt have to end up like Mugabe or even bribe people.
1. Full time minumum wage should attract no income tax
2. Overhaul the benefits system so there's only one application, so circumstances changes can be done with 1 phonecall, reduces overheads on admin
3. Non violent, non repeat offenders get a chance to do a monster amount of community service instead of prison, and improve funding for courts so people awaiting trial without bail get time in prison for time to prepare cases only
Never mind cats in wheelie bins................