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Tell them where to go. :thumb:
Seriously what do you do?
And what language are you speaking?
But you said that something which can not be sensed by the 5 senses can not exist, I can not sense nitrogen with my five senses and nor can you, therefore it does not exist.
So why can't lines on paper outlining borders be sensed?
I think a simple encyclopaedias would do the trick with you. You can even do it online.
And as I said to you many pages ago (when incidentally you could have ended this sorry saga without having to admit any kind of defeat, which seems to be the only thing that keeps you going), I completely sympathise with your contempt towards the system. I sympathise if you don't recognise the legality or authority of countries- just as I don't recognise the legality or authority of drug laws. But I know that drug laws exist, nonetheless.
Do you believe drug laws don't exist either?
They didn't revolt and remove him did they?
*Yawn*
Wrong. That kind of feeling does not come from any of the five senses.
You do really have some kind of sensory problem- or at least a deep confusion of what feelings and senses are- don't you?
No, you said that man cannot create things. Another round of backpedalling, I see...
Er... no. You will know because your pedometer will say '12 miles', which is the international border of Australia.
How many more times will we have to go through with this until the message gets through klintock?
No, it can be sensed, you do the original experiment (whatever it was) and voia - you can sense nitrogen. Ordinarily of course you cannot.
Of course they can be sensed. I just don't see why that has to mean anything. A small child could redraw all the boundaries in this geographical region and it would be exactly the same as anyone else doing it.
Also - maps aren't territories. they share common features so they can be useful, but they are not the thing itself. you can draw a hill on a map, do contour ines etc, and when you get to the hill it will be a useful guide to the hill.
Add a political border and when you get there you will see nothing, because it's only in the heads of the map drawer and whoever he has convinced.
You really haven't crossed many borders have you, there are quite often fences, gates, guards...etc.
How would you talk about Italian food without the word 'Italian' or direct somebody when they're lost without using place names?
I am not a citizen of anywhere, you might be though.
I don't have any contempt for the "system" I feel sorry for those who have been conned into thinking that it's there though. Do i think that there are drug laws? Of course not. There are bits of paper with scribble on them that say "do this" and "don't do this" but so what? How does paper know anything?
So you are saying that abscence of refusal is assent. Excellent, I now name this entire region "klintockland" you have 24 hours to vacate or to refuse my kind offer. you need to find me in person and offer the refusal in swahili, btw.
What? It's a feeling and not one of the five senses? WTF?
man can't. he can just reshape what's there. Totally 100% consistent and also true. you are wrong here, admit it and we'll lump it in with all the other stuff you have got wrong and no worries.
Self proving gibberish. The borders at 12 miles out, so when you are 12 miles out you are at the border. makes no sense to me at all. I asked for what would be different about the real world? Nothing, that's what.
A few more ithink, i am still operating under the delusion that you will wake up and see sense.
Which of the 5 senses do you perceive love through then Klintock?
yes, dozens.
Those are the people that have been convinced. only proves that some people have that belief, not that the belief is real. Or is the existence of churches proof of god?
Yes, it would. But I am not saying that it's a bad thing when you are doing it and now that it's just because it's useful and that it's all arbitary, it's when you think that it's truth that the problems start, same as any other fundie belief.
i have no problem with using place names etc, they are a useful way of dividing the world up so you can navigate in it. They aren't true, or facts though, just one way of looking at things.
So Klintock?
I feel it. How do you do it?
With which of the 5 senses?
With out wanting to seem to take side heres. :razz:
Love is enitrely subjective.
Love doesn't have X, Y and Z qualities.
Out of curiosity, do you travel abroad and own a passport because you have no other choice, or do you refuse to travel on principle for as long as the present system of countries, borders and citizenships remains in place?
I thought you'd say as much...
Doesn't quite work like that.
But then, you know that already.
You can only play the devil advocate for so long klintock...
Yes. Are you also denying this?
So do you feel love with one of your five senses? Or do you perhaps believe love doesn't exist?
How about happiness? Can you 'see it'?
Christ... :rolleyes:
I wasn't aware I had anything wrong. Care to point me out towards it?
Incidentally, aluminium-composed, fossil fuel-powered flying machines created by chance/nature = zero. Ever.
Therefore man has indeed created airplanes, as well as millions of other things incidentally.
Keep digging mate.
Yeah, that is part of the ongoing problem I suspect...
In your real world, perhaps.
Pity the rest of the world isn't reading this read, you could even make the entire population of planet earth see sense and enter your real world at one stroke.
It's a body sensation.
Well, i don't know if you are actually getting your end of the deal from the government or not, do I?
Neither.
See answer to bong.
Well, aside from the fact that humans are part of nature. people took raw materials and changed their nature into more useful forms. At no point was any new material created, or destroyed. it was transformed. Creation = not possible.
:rolleyes:
So you feel love purely through touch?
Touch isn't the sense, feeling is. Or do you "touch" heat?
Again, love is purely a blanket term for the affection that we feel for other people. What i translate as love is purely the way i personally experience the endearing visual, audible etc stimulations of another person. It's not quanitifiable.
Thats certainly how I see it, yet Klintock believes that if you can not sense something through your 5 senses it can not exists. His arguement being that given we can not sense the country it can not exist.
I am suggesting that given that something like love can exist and not be 'sensed' in the strict sense of the word then therefore his arguement is balls.
Unfortunately love can be sensed and quantified.
Anything else?
So you feel love on your skin?
Love can be sensed but it cant be quantified, you cant have a set amount of love, you cant have a metre cubed of love.
Also, you couldn't state what love is.
Nope, but that's not the only place you have nerve endings. Your gut is littered with them, for instance, as any curry lover will tell you.
Nope, if you are specific enough you can.
It will vary from person to person but it would need pages of explanation to sort out.
You should travel abroad. It's nice.
I'm not sure which one you're referring to, but love (or happiness, or anger, or pessimism or dozens and dozens of other such feelings) can't either be sensed with any of the five senses, or be quantified or measured in any way whatsoever. I really hope that you're not suggesting for one moment otherwise.
Objects can be created. Abstract concepts can be created. Countries can be created. And I'm not chemistry expert but I very much suspect that by mixing some materials completely new ones can be, and I believe have been created.
You appear to have a very bizarre concept of what is or isn't, what exist or doesn't, what can be created or can't. I can see that the problem (for, I'm afraid to say, a problem it appears to be) it's much much deeper than a simple refusal to recognise countries.
I did ages ago and things are better now I assure you...........
Poppycock. You fall in love and there are no measurable changes in your physiology? Nothing to feel? Check your pulse - see if you have one.
I have been to loads of places. I think you must have misunderstood me. you gave me two options and my answer was - neither.
Yes, they can and I am.
Nope. first law of thermodynamcs again you see. Now the universe is here, you cannot add to it or take anything away, only change things forms. If you wish to label that "creation" then fine, but you need a dictionary.
Really? I only see what I can actually see, hear what I can actually hear. I don't add things that aren't there, I don't delete things that are. What's wrong with that? I have no problems beyond the mundane practical difficulties of living, what are you talking about?
Love CANNOT be measured in any way, nor cannot be felt with your five senses.
To the places people know as other countries, no, you have not been without a passport or at least an ID card within the EU.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... Well well well, suddenly you are claiming a positive not a negative. Now I am the one claiming such feelings cannot be measured, and you claim they can.
Well... off you go. Where's your evidence to support such claim?
What 'form' exactly was an airplane made of thousands of moving parts and many different materials before it was "changed" into its present form?
Men can and has created endless amount of things. And no irrelevant-to-the case theory or "law" is going to change that I'm afraid. I suggest you yourself reach for the dictionary and double check a few terms, because you sure as hell are getting all mixed up and confused about a number of things.
I'm saying that you appear to judge whether something exists or not solely based on your own feelings and perceptions. As if you were the ultimate decider of what exists or doesn't.
If you were blind I guess you would argue that the planets and the stars don't exist, since you cannot see them.