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I certainly don't name any animal behaviour as "unnatural".
The sad thing is that he isn't the only genetic freak to think that. When the owner of Stagecoach buses is a self-confessed homophobic cunt, then it kinda proves how homophobes are completely lacking in ethics and morals.
These discussion boards are not run on the basis of absolute free speech, but speech under the frame work of the rules.
Ok, unbelievably simply overview, this is the the wings affect flight, simplistic version of aerodynamics version. So, there are loads of passages in the bible that refer to choice. Thing is that most of the are about God choosing us. IE freewill is a fallacy, that God is supreme and that what He deems will happen, will happen. Leading theologians still cannot agree on whether it is pre-destination, or election that controls the world, or some complicated intermingling of the two.
Moving on from that, the other aspect of God's intervention with homosexuality, is that (again wings affect flight version) everything that is 'wrong' with the world (and I use inverted commas because of varying opinion on what's wrong) is due to, and because of (as blagsta has helpfully put in in the past) original sin. All bad things, disease, death, anger, hatred, jealousy, murder, rape, paedophillia, violence, war, racism ALL come down to one thing, which is thinking YOU are god, and thinking YOU are better. Therefore you can do whatever the hell you want. Most people want to believe that they are not as bad as someone else. In actuality, because ALL sins (that's the bad stuff btw) comes down to the same root source, thinking you're god, all sin is equally bad. And because all sins are equally bad, all are equally sinful and equally out of sync with God. This is also true because the solution to the separation between man and God is the same for everyone, which is the payment for sin by Christ on the cross. Because christ was the only man to live without sinning (and the punishment for sin is death, which is why we all die) He didn't have to die. So when He did, He meant that the second death (ie judgement day) will go differently for some.
I'm gonna stop there, because despite it being the SIMPLE answer, it's getting a little longwinded. I'm not really interested in debating this.
CptCoatHanger, do mention if I haven't answered what I was going to.
When you start droning on about "predatorial" homosexuals "corrupting" our darling impressionable youth, you are directly implying that homosexuals are coercive, manipulative paedophiles. I would suggest that you retract that comment, but it looks like Jim V doesn't see the same problem with this comparison that I do.
No I didn't, it's you who doesn't appear to understand basic English.
I speak of "turning to", to use your phrase, as in "turning to serious depression to hide anger and guilt".
I'm no know-it-all, but I know considerably more than you.
Beginning to accept? You take pretention to new levels.
Which is precisely why I think Christianity is stupid. People don't need "God" to tell them to be nice to each other - most people are nice to each other because they are capable of empathy - something which develops in children if they are given enough consistent love, affection and boundaries (or containment if you want to use a term from psychoanalysis). Of course we then have the problem of war etc - usually competition over resources, often complicated because political and religous leaders are very good at manipulating people. To think that "all bad things" come down to thinking we are better than a Christian God, is quite frankly, bizarrely simpleminded. It totally ignores psychology/emotion, our material condidtions etc.
No what doesn't? Why bring it up if you don't want to debate it?
Intelligent comment?
Hey, he is ALLOWED an opinion and just because he may be in the minority does not give people the right to judge.
FFS you cant say nowt on these boards cos some fucker will have a go at you cos you dont think the same as the majority.
Pissing me off to be honest.
That comment is not much better to be frank.
It's not exactly insight-of-the-century though.
The rest of his post was slightly better, but only servesd to highlight the irreconcilable differences between those who believe in God and those who don't. Personally I think Blagsta just about manages to make a point with the rest of his post, but it isn't anything to do with Fiend's explanation.
Respect others views, even though you may not agree with them, thats what the P&D forum is about.
you go to other forums and people will say why they dont post in this forum is because of the way that people get shouted at here. This forum is to debate and so in order to debate subjects you HAVE to listen to the other side and try to get them to your way of thinking. This rarely happens in this forum now, all I seem to see is people saying 'troll' blah blah blah
Lets get this forum back to debating, not too much to ask for is it ?
Be judgemental when it's deserved, and not at any chance where you think it seems to fit the "holier than thou" image which you are failingly trying to set - it helps only the opposite in your case, hence failingly.
You've misunderstood something. You don't have such an image, being that everyone is sick and tired of the way you come across.
Like one of those annoying kids which doesn't have a clue, learns to subtract and then suddenly thinks he is fit to teach the whole class how to divide.
Calling people names like lamp boy, child troll etc , changing poster names (on the quote bit).
ffs this is pathetic.
Whats up with you lot, can you not just press the iggy button or sommat :rolleyes:
Quite right. I'm an anarchist communist. How about engaging with the rest of my post?
How about engaging with the rest of my post?
Fiend's explanation presupposes that I agree with her initial premise - that a Christian God exists.
As for the rest of your post, it does come down completely to the existence, or otherwise, of a "God" (of any denomination). Bad things do happen when people don't act with Godly kindness and compassion, for whatever reason, I don't really think you can complain about that.
Personally I think that what you said about the "human empathy" is true, because I never have had much truck with the whole concept of "original sin". But Fiend is correct with her comments on "Godliness"- to be quite honest, you appear to be arguing over semantics, if we cut past all the religious (either Christian or Atheist) lexis.
Of course, the biblical message was more subtle than a slap but Jesus answers your questions directly. Seek and ye shall find.