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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ageism that is ageism. And, besides, you are the one arguing with the "fool" so what does that make you?
C-A
full of shit.
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C-A x
Sooo....
Being killed and kept humanely...still being killed..check out my previous post.
This is a question on morals, a 12 year old is at the same level as an adult, we all have morals, regardless of age so I think your complaints are invalid.
Gx
I'm rubber you are glue...
What has unintelligence got to do with anything? Just because I eat meat, doesn't mean that I am somehow less intelligent than someone who chooses to be a vegetarian.
The Human body has been designed to eat meat, our teeth, stomach and intestines are designed as omnivores, therefore we should eat meat, and enjoy it, it is lovely. If animals die because of it, so be it. and in the immortal words of Captain Ivan Drago "If he dies, he dies."
Ok. seriously, because of our genetic make up we should eat meat, the way we do it is a lot more humane than animal so that argument is flawed as well.
If we are animal abusers, so be it, least I am not an abuser of common sense.
C-A's and my views are as good as the next man's, regardless of age. Take it or leave it, but not because we're younger than you.
Sorry if this is patronising, it's not meant to be, I just couldn't phrase it better.
Gx
We are not saying you can't be veggie/vegan. If that's what works for you, good for you. I applaud you, I could never manage it even if I wanted to. But I don't, because I enjoy the food that my body is designed to be able to eat. If you don't want to eat it, that's fine, but just because I enjoy it does not mean I agree with the frankly disgusting practices of the people who mass-produce cheap meat. I don't buy cheap meat. I have said before in this thread that I would rather go without and that is true.
It isn't an issue of morals when we are all in agreement that we want the animals to have a happy life and a humane end. An animal who fatally hurts itself in its natural, wild, environment is going to die in a more painful and torturous way than an animal that is humanely killed for its meat. Death =/= torture. I am trying to be rational with you here but if you continue to treat me like I am inhuman for liking food that I AM DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO EAT then I will be forced to think you are idiots. Nobody here has said you are stupid for not wanting to eat meat, yet you are calling us animal abusers because we do?
No, I don't know exactly how animals are killed, but I know that there are humane and inhumane ways of doing it and I choose the option that means they are killed in a humane and pain-free way. I choose to buy the option that means they are treated with respect because I know that they are being bred and killed for my benefit and I appreciate that. On the other hand, the vast, vast majority of the animals you are so vehemently trying to protect, rightly or wrongly, wouldn't even be alive in the first place if it wasn't for the meat industry.
And neither of you have answered my questions about whether you have pets/would have a dog put down even if it is "unnatural".
If you are going to choose to ignore rationality in favour of spouting biased opinions with no sources to back them up (and no, a vegan website does not count as a reliable source) then I will consider you ignorant. Find me a website that is not entirely focused on the vegan/veggie lifestyle which backs up your points and I will listen, but at the moment you really are sounding like PeTA sheep, and really, PeTA is one of the most deplorable organisations in the world.
P.S. Hellfire - stop with the ageism and stop acting high and mighty and like everyone should be eating meat. It is their choice if they don't want to and you are acting just like they are right now. You are fuelling their ignorance by calling them ignorant and stupid, you're just backing them back into their own corner and making them more defensive and less open to rationality.
Killing an animal is treating it in a 'harmful or injurious way'
I don't see how you can argue with that.
Gx
Gx
I don't think anyone is. However, there are humane ways to kill an animal so it doesn't endure suffering.
By UK law, if an animal is killed and it suffers unnecessarily (granted, I will give you that unnecessary suffering is very arbritary and subject to interpretation) it is illegal and classed as animal abuse. For what it's worth, I don't think you can class an electric shock which probably feels like a pinprick to a cow is unnecessary suffering, particularly when it is dead within seconds. That is not abuse. Abuse is slitting its throat and letting it bleed to death. Even cutting a chicken's head off to kill it, I would not class as torture because the chicken dies immediately, although I would prefer more humane options.
And AGAIN you have ignored my pet questions.
Damage limitation, that is what putting a dog down is.
The animals that are killed humanely feel no pain in the same way a dog being put to sleep feels no pain.
A healthy, well looked after chicken being killed in a humane manner is not damage limitation.
Gx
A healthy chicken being 'put down' is animal abuse, referring once again to the definition of abuse, it is harm or injury.
Gx
And really, your argument is now becoming largely illogical.
What else is there to add?