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**helen**
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and feeling a bit vexed. I sometimes claim to be a veggie for ease, but I'm not really one. Let's say I'm a fussy meat eater. 
However, Jessica is the real deal and she's fed up of some of the comments she gets. Do any of these ring a bell?
I've definitely heard the Sunday lunch one a few times.
However, Jessica is the real deal and she's fed up of some of the comments she gets. Do any of these ring a bell?
I've definitely heard the Sunday lunch one a few times.
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I agree with this. I don't care if people want to eat meat, so why should other people care that I don't?
Definitely also relate to the bit about "oh go on, just eat it, it won't hurt you" - I know this, and I'm not even the slightest bit tempted when you're waving your burger around in front of me!
:yes:
And they quiz you on where exactly you're getting your iron, protein, vitamins from. Nevermind that most of the meat eaters I know don't get even one let along 5 a day - do I quiz them on how much vitamin C they're getting? No...so fuck off
Why is that amusing? Just because someone likes meat it doesn't mean they agree with the farming practices and want to eat it
Do they know it's made of animal products? If not that's pretty shitty of you not to tell them. If they do they they're not vegetarians then
It is clear why it is amusing. Lighten up.
They do get vegetarian gravy, we make it for them, but they have in the past had the other gravy and commented on how nice it was. Hence why it is amusing considering they aren't meant to have it.
It's not really. Where else would you get beef gravy from?
I had a freak housemate who was veggie for ethical reasons (she was not a freak for this reason). She reckoned she was sick if she even smelled a little bit of meat or meat product and always kicked off about us keeping steak or chicken in the shared fridge. She loved the chip shop chips, though. Such a shame the chippy used beef dripping...
I've never understood the point of meat substitute. If veggies don't like meat and don't want to eat meat then fine, but why use stuff that tastes like meat but isn't?
No it's not amusing, so what if they like the taste - like I just said for most vegetarians it's not about the taste it's about not agreeing with substandard farming practices
If people don't want to eat meat because it was all cute and fluffy once, then fine. But don't try and insult our intelligence by claiming this is about "substandard farming practices".
British farmers have some of the highest standards of husbandry in the world. So substantiate your statement (without linking to the fucknuggets at PETA) or retract it.
Not all veggies are like that, in fact very few are
Because they might not agree with the way animals are kept and killed, but still like to enjoy meals that would traditionally contain meat (sausage and mash, shephards pie etc) which can be difficult to replicate without actual meat. Also the substitutes are convenient and nutritionally balanced (high in protein, low in fat). I love the taste of quorn mince, but I never used to like actual mince.
I personally don't have a problem with people eating meat, I think I probably will eat meat again at some point, but I find it difficult to be absolutley certain that they animal has been properly cared for and killed humanely so until I feel I have that certainty I just won't bother.
Anyway the whole point of this is we're vegetarians SO WHAT!? We eat quorn and veggie sausages SO WHAT?! It's a free world, we're not harming anyone! Why do people even waste their time thinking about why we're eating meat substities to let it bother them, for fucks sake get a life and leave us in peace.
I thought a majority of animals were stunned and then had their throat slit, is that not classed as humane?
I'm talking about battery farming and poorly run slaughterhouses, I know people who have worked in the slaughterhouses that supply a lot of the supermarkets round here and the things I've heard are not nice. I know that I can buy from local farms and reliable butchers, but I still wouldn't feel like I had 100% certainty that the meat is free from cruelty so I'd rather not take that chance - I don't miss meat so I don't bother
Cute and fluffy doesn't bother me, I agree with eating meat I just don't fancy it
Yeh if done properly it is, but like I said I don't feel like I can be 100% sure - and as I'm not that fussed about meat I'm not gonna bother visitng slaughterhouses etc to make sure
It's usually the same idiots who demanded that the UK had higher standards than the EU standard for pork farming and now buy Danish bacon because it's cheaper.
There is too much battery farming and poor slaughterhouse practices in the UK because in my opinion one is too many
That is a different point altogether, nothing to do with the vegetarian debate. I agree that those people are idiots
If you think farming standards are poor in this country, prove it. If it's so endemic, you'll be able to prove it within 30 seconds using wiki and google. What "your friend" says is irrelevant.
I love the way veggies won't eat meat but will put rat poison down, though.
Supply and demand - if there is demand for cheap chicken then they will be kept in shit conditions to supply this. If people move towards more expensive but ethically reared chicken then the demand shifts, and more chickens will be kept in better conditions. How lazy and passive are you to sit back and say 'I don't agree with it and it's shit but I'm not gonna bother doing anything about it because it's too much effort'. Vote with your wallet
It's the same thing, I give me £2 a month to various charities - that £2 doesn't really matter either way, but collectively it makes a difference
You're the one that keeps mentioning cute and fluffy! I've already said I agree with eating meat but I choose not to as I feel that I can't be 100% sure that animals haven't suffered. What's wrong with that?
I can't prove it but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. What my friends say isn't irrelevant, it means something to me...it means that there's a chance that animals have suffered while being slaughtered, therefore I choose not to eat meat incase this is true. If it isn't true then so what? I don't miss meat so I don't care either way. And why should YOU care what I have for tea? I'm not preaching at anyone, I'm just explaining my personal choice
Again with the massive stereotypes - 'veggies' are not one mind. I don't put rat poison down, my boyfriend is veggie and he doesn't even kill the slugs that go on the tomato plants! (LOL)
Interestingly, most processed food is actually reared and killed abroad- most Bernard Matthews stuff is produced in Hungary or Poland and shipped over.
Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall may have the daftest haircut in human history, but what he says is right. Remember where meat comes from, be choosy about provenance, and you're guaranteed good husbandry and animal welfare. Get sucked into supermarket thinking- meat is just something that comes wrapped in plastic or breadcrumbs- and you'll get meat from abroad that's been produced badly.
As I say, UK animal welfare standards are pretty much the highest in the world. To turn round and dismiss the whole UK farming industry because of "my mate in the abbatoir" is so ludicrous as to make your whole position laughable.
P.S. People who bang on about animal welfare and then buy Danish bacon want a good hard slap in the chops.
I'm not dismissing the whole farming industry, have you not read what I said?
I just said I could never feel 100% sure so I prefer to be over cautious. I can't see why this is a bad thing? My position is not laughable, I don't eat meat, I don't miss it so I'd just prefer not to bother and know for certain that no animal has been harmed to go on my plate.
I saw a pig being slaughtered (think it was Hugh FW), it didn't bother me, funnily enough my friends who ate meat were very squeamish and couldn't watch, it was humane, I had no problem with it and if I had been there I would have had no problem in eating it.
Sounds like you're dismissing the whole farming industry there!
You can be 100% certain that an animal was reared and killed ethically. Probably much more so that you can be with leather shoes. Do you wear leather shoes or boots?
Nope I'm saying I don't agree with substandard farming practices and I don't feel I can be sure that dodgy practices don't go on behind closed doors (of which I have heard tales, not friend of a friend tales, actual people that I know) therefore I wouldn't like to take that chance.
I don't feel that I can be, maybe I am wrong but I would rather risk being wrong than risk eating an animal that had suffered. Again my choice, doesn't harm anyone so why should I have to justify this
No I don't. I have two leather belts which were given to me by my mum who was going to chuck them out because they are quite tatty, I have no problem wearing them because they were only going to be chucked out anyway - I wouldn't refuse to wear them. But I don't buy leather goods. I bet people will say I have double standards now :rolleyes:
I still eat meat, not a whole lot tho, but I couldn't abstain completely. I respect other people's choice, because I think the vegetarian lifestyle is not a bad one, but I don't want them to judge me for liking meat.
I think Id struggle without a healthy dose of protein every so often.
I do eat meat, but meat dishes not because im a die hard meat fan, just that I like to eat what tastes good. If the chef has his camp famous vegetarian omlette on the go, loads of people go for it.
Im indifferent to be honest, I used to live with a lass who was a vege, id often eat what she had, just do the both of us could get economies of scale for our food, as this was during my student days.
Helen, A friend of mine is pretty much eats 99% vegetarian but he never claims to be a vege. This doesn't put any pressure on him self or from others to eat meat. So if he fancies eating a steak he can but most of the time he doesn't.
I really respect this attitude. I've been a vegetarian for almost 2 years now.
Do or don't eat meat - don't give a fuck, but not eating meat does not mean you have some high moral standard. Just means your some sort of fucking weirdo.