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It is discrimination. Why is one form of discrimination such as ageism okay whereas another form of discrimination (here take your pick) not?
I know you won't answer so I do wonder why I am still debating
Simply.
What's the difference why is one ok and the other not?
The core of the issue is descrimination. Why is it ok to descriminate against age but not race. Answer it properly and I'll spell descrimination properly.
It requires you to address the issue of descrimination.
I think it shows something else.
Humour me then even if you don't think it important. Why is agism ok and racism not? What's the difference. Answer it ffs.
:thumb: zactly
We have, and the answer is it's not acceptable, either ageism or racism. Yet you think somehow it's ok because more people tolerate ageism.
What is boring and more than a tad exasperating is you failing to see the relevance of the question.
As for what to do, more police presence on the streets where there si known to be trouble, or more education, or etc. etc.
You're the only one that doesn't seem to be able to grasp the simple fact that agism and racism are related, and that one is no worse or better than the other. There I've answered it, now you have a go at explaining why YOU think one is acceptable and the other not?
If not answer this, much easier question.
Are you stupid or are you avoiding the question?
Take my local area for example, most of the blacks that hang around the shops and a long the streets are really up to no good, i mean, they have done a lot of shit, like murder, theft, even dropping a brick on my Nans head. The police are doing a lot to combat this and have set up certain roads where they have the power to move groups of blacks on, regardless if they are innocent, they must move, which is fine because there is a lot of trouble here and more groups, innocent or not, cause more problems.
Now read that and tell me if you think that is acceptable.
Agesim, basic human rights, and descrimination isn't worth a political discussion? Are you serious?
The race anology is perfect for highlight your hypocracy - a fact prooven by you inability or refusal to answer some very simple questions
We have a real situation in some areas of the country where young blacks are responisble for a disproportionate amount of crime i.e young blacks are commiting more crime than young whites. In the same way youths are being more anti social than the older generation. So to combat this would a curfew in these areas aimed soley against young blacks be acceptable?
It's not hypothetical it's a real issue very much relevant to this one.
What do YOU think? Is agesim less important? If so why?
And I take it therefore that you think statistics to proove that in some areas blacks are responsible for a lot of crime would justify discrimination by race. the reason is the same after all.
Again you avoiding the anology.
Either it acceptable or it's not. Which is it?
It's like pulling teeth.
You said...
I asked what YOU think? Should it IN YOUR OPINION, be as big an agenda? If not why not?
I'm trying to get a simple answer from a simple question. Maybe I've been unclear - this is as simple as I can put it.
You thinks it's acceptable to discriminate against all youths in an area where most of the anti social behavoiur is committed by youths.
So by that logic you must think that it's acceptable to discriminate against all blacks in an area where the majority of crime is commited by blacks?
Yes or no?
That wasn't an answer. I didn't ask what you think other people think.
Is ageism as important as racism? IN YOUR OPINION.
So, okay to torture my kids because of something which another kid has done?
It doesn't matter how short the torture is, it is still torture of an innocent.
Well you're answering every point on the thread except for the simple yes/no question that Skive and others have asked you repeatedly throughout. I wouldn't consider that to be on topic, more dodging the issue.
Again, how does that problem not apply to young people too? How can you be concerned that it will cause feeling that there is hate against black people, and not have the same concern about a feeling that there is hate against young people?
And let's assume that such devices are successful in moving crime away from certain areas, won't the increased disillusionment of young people because of the discriminationory nature of such devices create more problems overall?
If the kids were tied down and forced to listen to it, then yes it's torture.
Having the choice to hang around outside somebody's house, or having the choice to simply walk away turns it from torture to merely irritating.
That said, I'll stand by and say putting it outside a shop or bus stop is wrong. Putting it outside somebody's house, who have had their lives blighted by idiots is not.
I'd prefer it that the police turned up everytime, on time and caught the people responsible for whatever, every time. Unfortunately it isn't going to happen, so anything that gives someone a brief respite is welcome. Yes it might cause the problem to move somewhere else, and nowhere have I hailed this device as the saviour of morality, it's simply a tool that helps ordinary people, who are at the end of their tether get a break from it all.
It's not perfect, I admit that completely, and there's no chance that i'd like to see them used everywhere. But used sensibly, against the people who are causing the problem I don't see the harm.
And lets face it, if you turn it on at 11pm on a Thursday night, you won't be affecting good little Johnny, who'll be tucked up in bed. You'll be affecting the people who like to drink beer and chuck cans at your house.
That we're all free to have our own opinion is something we should be proud of, not something that should make you feel sick and equally other people shouldn't feel your views are pathetic.