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My rant:
http://utterlycray.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/what-about-god.html
im so stuck and have no idea what to think
http://utterlycray.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/what-about-god.html
im so stuck and have no idea what to think
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I've always believed in free will, God gave us a world to live on but it's up to us what we do with it. Unfortunately, being human we can't do anything but continually fuck up.
and jojo2012- its been a year and a half, and i used to cry out to god all the time, and after a few months i kind of gave up. i still believe theres a god, just at the moment I am pretty angry with him, and im questioning why he would ever create a world when people are destined to suffer.
Perhaps explaining your journey on how you came to that conclusion may prove a helpful experience here.
I'm not sure how I can explain it. But mostly, there's no evidence for it, all the religious material is corrupted and made up. I recognise that there's also no hard evidence that there isn't a God. But every time in history, that there has been something we didn't understand, it's turned out to be NOT MAGIC.
Back in the day lightning was Thor and thunder was the striking of his mighty hammer. Now we know that it's a static electrical charge built up by particles in the atmosphere.
Back in the day, the Sun was pushed across the sky by a giant dung beetle and the sky was held up by the titan Atlas. Now we know that the Earth orbits the Sun.
I know science, and understand it, and frankly there is so much in the universe that is just amazeballs, I don't need to make up a magic sky pixie who may or may not like me and who sends good things to reward me and bad things to punish/test me.
Well, traditionally it's impossible to prove a negative. So it wouldn't be possible to prove there is no god. However, everything that is said to be an affect of a god has shown to not be.
That's a very difficult assertion. It is highly likely that the wind is not God farting. Unless God's farts are a complex weather event that creates different areas of atmospheric pressure.
The problem with causality as a philosophical concept is that it never really stops. So the Big Bang is our best guess for what started the universe as we know it, but what caused the Big Bang? And what caused whatever caused that? An enquiring mind will always come up with more questions than answers, that's the joy of enquiry, whether it's scientific, philosophical or theological.
Religion is not just the purview of irrational people who don't like science. And there are a huge number of people who would be as happy to talk about Aslan or Vishnu as they are about Jesus because it's about accessing a number of truths (note the small 't'!) about the world and about God.
As to why there is suffering, there is no straightforward answer. I don't subscribe to the "Fall" myth any more than I do to Pandora's Box except inasmuch as they're helpful in telling us about the nature of humanity.
There is another theory that says that pain and suffering are necessary to access the full joy of existence, and here I feel bound to quote my current favourite one-liner philosopher, the novelist John Green:
My hesitant and far-from-fully-formed view is that there are some questions to which there can be no answer. That suffering is not so much "allowed" as inevitable. I also think that in my own life it has transformed my character for the better. I don't know if I see "design" in that or not but it's true for me.
I had a Christian upbringing, but I don't identify as Christian. If I have to label, I'm agnostic. I dislike organised religion as it causes a lot of hatred and wars, and I'm also of the opinion that most 'religious' material has been transcribed/compiled by humans and as such is subject to their filters and/or agendas (i.e. homosexuality was something the oppressors of the time did and therefore was bad and entered into the bible as a bad thing.) I'm much more of the belief that any faith you have is personal between you and whatever you believe in, and that no one has the right to tell you otherwise.
I wasn't brought up religiously, I suppose I have an approximately CofE background but we didn't do church. My mother was a Christian until she was about 21, and returned to her faith before she died. I was a committed Christian from about 17 to about 21. I got involved with it primarily because I fancied someone and wanted to spend more time with her. It helped with my loneliness so long as I didn't mention being a homo.
When I was thrown out of my church for being gay, and was told that all the other churches in the area would be told not to accept me. I never really went back to church and still overwhelmingly tend to hate being in them due to the residual trauma.
I was cast away from and then grew out of being religious. I am now more convinced than ever that there isn't a God.
Can we trust the major religions of this world which were introduced and sustained, by corrupt governments / empires?
We must remember, only of late, do we see humans opening their
minds eye to all this corruption of the church & state.
Hence falling church attendance.
So why did we not wake up, 2000 years ago when christianity was
first introduced?
We did.....to paganism. This religion caused the revolts. Paganism
is evil and full of evil elements such as human / animal sacrifice.
We protested this and cornered the Roman Empire.
So Constantine the devil, introduced Christianity.
Just like now, in a less violent manner,
we are waking up to christianity without even knowing it.
The royals know this hence they are loosing grip, hence they
are forcing the banks and economy and society into harsh
conditions etc.... to further take our minds off what is happening
to us as a people.
Without the grip of the royals ( who have always represented god )
and their religion, our wisdom will grow and we will see / expose
this devil monarchy which is destroying the world.
Again, hence why they are now distracting us.
Please, to finish, if you feel down, anytime, always remember;
1) The individual human spirit develops over ~60 billion years. Half in , half out of body.
2) Spiritual development is the gaining of wisdom(love).
3) The major religions of this world were introduced and sustained, by corrupt governments / empires.
4) Only when the spirit is free, can it develop and progress in this life, for the next.
5) Human nature is spiritual. The rulers substitute this urge with a religion. We have been locked in.
6) Rulers with the help of freemasons ( aka Egyptian priests) , manipulate society to serve their interests.
With spiritual development ( wisdom ) we would see this.
Hence why they used religion in first place ( Ancient Egypt )
We must understand, for 10,000 years we have been locked in.
7) Only when we disconnect the spirit, will human technology and culture change for the better, as a result of wisdom.
6) No being/entity existing within the universe, is above nature's laws.( such as a god )
Furthermore what you've said about paganism is completely false. Christianity was imposed on most local pagan religions, and corrupted their festivals to aid the acceptance of it.
Yes, it is. Now fuck twat
i.e. many see religion and faith as different things.
Fluxed, it looks like you're approaching this debate from the assumption that to believe in a God you must belief what religions say about him/her/it.
This debate seems to be more about the idea of God in it's simplest of senses.
Rubberskin, I can appreciate you might be frustrated with the way the conversation is going, but it'd be cool if we kept the name-calling to an absolute minimum if at all possible.
Religion would actually have no functional difference in society whether there is a literal god or not. Believing in something that does exist but will never impact you except for your belief, vs believing in something that does not exist so the only impact is your belief in it.
Now that, though i may not take part much, is interesting to me and my own belief system and i for one don't want it derailed into another freemasons/Egyptians/corrupt monarchy thread because flux's other threads have been closed.
Neither am I sure of existence of God but, I do believe in super power, super natural and that there's something that's beyond our understanding, beyond science too or probably we still aren't technologically advanced to prove its existence or non existence.
now now, children.
It time, science will show us the modern prophet is correct,
that the universe cycles and each cycle last for trillions of years.
You are not absorbing what i am saying about paganism -
else you would not call it false.
The source of Paganism was the first relgion of salvation.
First religion of salvation, devised by the founders ( advanced race )
1) Pharaoh kings relayed the laws of their 'founders' via pagan priests
all around the world.
2) The truth is partly told in terms of good behavior refining the spirit. However, upon death of the present body, those 'founders' had the power to destroy the soul.
3) The founders took the credit for natures work.
4) Evil aspects such as slaves, human sacrifice.
5) The religon is magical(science) & mystical.
6) Slave version & secretive royal version.
7) A new god attributed to any new natural phenomenon.
8) A Priest was also a Judge and an interpreter of the law.
9) The Egyptian Mysteries were the centre of organized culture,
and the recognized source of education in the ancient world.
Rulers method
1) Be a compliant citizen and loyal to the royal family, and the
'founders' will allow you to be re-incarnated.
Else they will destory your soul and hence remove any hope of the thereafter.
2) Using hieroglyphics via paganism, all bicameral visitors into early Egypt, became aware of themselves but in a mystical mental background. This made us superstitious beings.
Second religion of salvation ( AD )
1) Pharaohs now call themselves emperors. Later, kings.
2) Greece takes credit for Egyptian science & literature.
Also disconnect new world from old ( Rome from Egypt )
3) Spiritual truths dropped.
4) Human sacrifice dropped.
5) Kings make no mention of 'founders' in this religion.
6) Dropped reincarnation.
7) One god makes all the decisions and takes the credit for natures work.
8) Early on, a priest was also a Judge and an interpreter of the law.
Rulers method
1) Be a compliant citizen and loyal to the royal family, and the
god will allow you( character included? ) into heaven.
Else your soul will go to hell and hence remove any hope of the thereafter.
2) All Natural phenomena attributed to one god.
3) Early on, the church was the centre of organized culture,
and the recognized source of education.
Things in common between the two ( spanning 10,000 years of royal dynasties );
1) The family of rulers and its traditions and jubilee's.
2) The rulers introduce the relgion and head it.
3) The cross.
4) Active indocrination.( Education and community pre 1980 )
5) Inserted to block spiritual freedom & true independence.
6) Priests involved with law & justice.
What modern prophet?
The planet Venus may look like a star, but it is not a star.
What i am saying, all i am saying here is ask yourself with reason,
who introduced the salvation relgions and why?
Can we trust those governments/empires?
Oh the humanity !
Go on tell us?! Was it the freemasons? I was under the impression my church was founded by William and Catherine Booth in the 1800s... and that it is based on the teachings of Jesus.
The modern prophet;
''The term "God" has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of the world or the universe, stars, galaxies and the like, for the expression "God" has existed in the vastness of the universe for billions of years, from ancient times to the present, and it represents nothing more than the title of a person. Initially this title was "Ishwish" which means "God" when translated into our languages. But Ishwish, respectively god, is nothing more than another term for "King of Wisdom." It is a purely human title assigned to humans who were particularly knowledgeable, wise, and who possessed great mastery in everything. ''
Please, consider the words from prophets in the past and how they were implemented,
into the books.
I do not trust the peole who did the implementing.
There is a modern prophet, who does not get involved with the monarchy of any country.
He tells us the truth. And we are very special beings, never forget that.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Who_or_what_is_God%3F
are asking for help, are acting very childish and inconsiderate.
Grow up.
Also, let this reflect the competence of the moderation.