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British or not????
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Just from the News last night regarding the terror raids on people suspected of plotting the kidnap and torture of a British born Muslim soldier!!
In a poll on the news ONLY 20% of muslims would be happy if a family member was in the British Forces, something like 30% would accept it and the rest would be totally against it!!
This really gets to me and I'm no racist but why do they want to live in our country and claim our benefits but they are not willing to fight for us??
How can anyone justify the kidnapping of a fellow muslim just because he is fighting for HIS country?? (I know this is only a minority who would justify this).
That poll scares me slightly though, you live in our country you should be willing to fight for our country!!
Discuss or flame me, I'm willing to change my views if someone can convince me I'm in the wrong for thinking like this!!
In a poll on the news ONLY 20% of muslims would be happy if a family member was in the British Forces, something like 30% would accept it and the rest would be totally against it!!
This really gets to me and I'm no racist but why do they want to live in our country and claim our benefits but they are not willing to fight for us??
How can anyone justify the kidnapping of a fellow muslim just because he is fighting for HIS country?? (I know this is only a minority who would justify this).
That poll scares me slightly though, you live in our country you should be willing to fight for our country!!
Discuss or flame me, I'm willing to change my views if someone can convince me I'm in the wrong for thinking like this!!
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Im not surprised a lot of British muslims wouldnt want to join the British Army, as half the time it seems like theyd be pitched against their parents or grandparents country.
Best to just not join tbh.
Though not everyone wants to go to war for many different reasons.
I guess you'd have to compare it to the same statisic for non Muslim 'British' families.
My family are (apart from possibly me) white Christian British through and through. My brother keeps threatening to join the army and I don't think I'd be too happy with it, I'd accept it, but not be happy with it.
No problem with him fighting for our country, but would have one with him fighting in someone else country for no good reason.
If the objection is that the familiy members are becoming part of British establishment then I think you're right, if it's because of concern for welfare then I've got no problem with it.
As long as you can finish your eclair first ?
Its this divide that bugs the hell out of me and the way our govenrment have had there pants down and being royally bummed by people they have let live in our country.
It seems to me that they are happy being British when it suits them, benefits, NHS etc. but other than that they don't seem to be interested in being British at all.
This is BRITISH muslims allegedly planning to kidnap and murder another BRITISH muslim??? So how I see it is that they are kidnapping one of their own because he is actually being British, when they should be doing the same if they are living in this country!! Religion totally to one side, at the end of the day they are British and if they don't want to be part of Britain and our culture then they should fuck off, oh but then they won't be able to claim benefit, our government are getting bummed till they bleed.
Get people like that in every area of life. Like the british people who stole the remains of another british person, because they didn't like the things her british family were doing.
haha yes - hopefully burn it off!
Its only a minority who would take the action of kidnapping and beheading!!
Sophia, its not racist, can you use another word for a change?
bullshit. my family would be well pissed off if i joined the army, which is just as well cos i dont ever plan on doing so.
i dont think people of this country are any better or more derserving than someone from any other country, so theres no way im going to go and fight battles against some poor sod just like me because our governments have beef with each other.
I want to be part of a mulit-cultural society BUT not one like this, not one where the Muslims are alledgedly planning such a thing so they can scare the law abiding muslims into not joining the forces, the police etc..
Because the discussion was prompted by an event which involed the objection of some 'British' Muslims at the involvement of other British Muslims with a British institution.
:banghead:
i think the whole point really is that there shouldn’t be a Muslim community, they split British into different communities with different views, if we was to just have a British Community then surly there wouldn’t be a problem with people integrating into the country?
Territ, why shouldn't there be a muslim community? You can be a part of more than one community, like I'm part of the Ultimate community, it's nice, I know people from all over the country who play ultimate and only get ultimate jokes and do ultimate things, but I'm part of my church community too, and the two are completely separate, but neither stops me from being part of both.
You can be Muslim and British. Just like I can play sport and be a christian. They are not exclusive terms.
What, all of them?
Not sure you want to go down that road. I suspect if there was such a statistic as a breakdown of benefit claimants by race and/or religious background, those evil terrorist Muslims would have fewer people on benefits than most others.
Not that it matters.
For 'us'?
Do you think illegally invading other nations and contributing, even if indirectly, to the slaughter of more than half a million innocent men, women and children is fighting "for us"?
I hope you're under no illusions that people from any other race or religious background would be much more willing to send one of their relatives to fight Blair's dirty genocidal wars. The immense majority of the country is repulsed and disgusted at the actions of our war criminal leader.
And it does not come as much of a surprise that people of a certain faith that has been persecuted relentlessly by our crusading Christian leaders for decades are even more reluctant to join the Armed Forces and possibly be sent to participate in the aggression than the rest of us are.
Just pisses me off how we can have people in our country are allegedly going to kidnap and murder another british muslim because hes in the armed forces. And basically what I'm saying is "why the fuck are these people in our country if they hate the British so much?? And why don't they just fuck off". They don't fuck off cos we're a good country who give them the nice things in life when there out of work, unable to work through illness/injury and like someone said I believe they should give something back rather than fight against us.