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What are you on about?
Maybe you ought to reread my last bunch of posts properly and it should start to make a bit of sense. If you can't comprehend what I am saying then I'll state it in basic terms for you.
I want you to admit that you were wrong about the 3 assumptions that you made about me.I have admitted that I was wrong in my assumption of you but you are maybe just too self righteous to even admit that you were wrong with your assumptions.
So quit fucking dodging with this I don't know what your on about Bullshit and just do it. Or the second option is to state that you are so self-righteous that you can't admit you're wrong. This second one won't be in these exact terms but I'll read between the lines.
Who knows, maybe you'll find some friends in the self righteous part of the Catholic church?
You have made idiotic assumptions (you admit it yourself), you have made melodramatic statements (pissing on graves of soldiers by being critical of them being in Iraq) and you can't tell the difference between respecting a person and respecting the job they do (as I have shown).
So, how was I wrong?
:banghead: Allow me to explain it to you using your own posts and then my reply to each below.
Posted by Blagsta:
1. I also think you're one of those people who can't tell the difference between respecting a particular job someone does and respecting a person. I have nothing against the ordinary grunt that joins the army, I never said I did. Maybe you should read my posts a bit more carefully.
2. I also think you're one of those people who makes idiotic melodramatic statements.
3. I think you're one of those people who makes stupid assumptions.
In Reply
1. The job you do in civil and armed services becomes a part of who you are. A police man when not working isn't just a normal person, they are called an off duty police man. In other words, even when they aren't working they are still a part of that job and the job is a part of them.
2. Maybe I did but are you honestly saying that you never have? Everyone on this board probably has. So a bit hypocritical don't you think?
3. Look at the little hypocrite. Were these not stupid assumptions? Mine was miscalculated and therefore stupid but your 3 are exactly the same.
Now do you understand?
What a load of shit. No one I know who has been in the armed forces thinks that way.
Of course. But we're not talking about anyone else at the moment are we? If you'd like to find one of my melodramatic statements (I'm sure there is one) and comment on it, be my guest.
Errrrmmm...if you could demonstrate how they were "stupid assumptions", you might be right. But you can't.
I understand where you're coming from, yes. I just happen to think you're full of shit.
Two people, divided by a common language.
I think I'm being quite clear. How the hell can I respect a job I disagree with?
Just the same as you couldn't demonstrate that mine was a stupid assumption but you still assumed it anyway. Only difference is that I can admit my when I am wrong and you just can't.
Maybe no one has ever told you this but you are not infallable. The world will not end if you admit you are wrong once in a while.
You have just spoken with the sort of self righteousness you find in Catholics. The Infamous "I understand where you're coming from but I'm right" attitude.
No, I was responding to what you wrote.
Yes, if I'm wrong I admit it. I just don't happen to be wrong here.
You're the one making sweeping statements about jobs and identity, like its some kind of universal law, not me.
We all disagree with the reason why they are out there but like I said that is not their fault. But because they are there they have a job to do. That job, like I have said before is to stop a country from going into a civil war. You can argue against the reason and still respect the job they are doing now. They are separable and it does not make you a hypocrite.
No shit, Sherlock.
No shit, Sherlock.
It already is a civil war and has been for some time.
Yes you can, but I'm not, because I think its nonsensical.
You still can't tell me why I should respect a job I disagree with.
As I have been responding to what you wrote for quite a while now. But obviously that only works one way because it suits you that way?
But you are wrong about me and you can't justify what you have said about me, just the same as I can't justify what I said about you.
I don't state it as universal law, but society's law. People associate people when face to face with what job they do and don't even try to say that they don't.
When speaking to new people face to face, people nearly always ask what someone does for a living. Do you honestly think we do that out of curiosity? Or because sub-consciously we group people? Where do you think the stereotypes come from?
Shows how little you know about civil wars.
All it is at the moment is civil unrest on the verge of civil war.
If a civil did break out there would be deaths in thousands, not hundreds every day. Pull up the figures of Sierra Leone if you don't believe me. Nearly 5 and a half million people dead in nearly 7 years. That is civil war.
No, because you are assuming that your opinion is completely correct and true, not just an opinion. I'm fully aware that my opinion is different from yours and there is no universal truth on the matter.
Yes, but it isn't, is it? Its just your opinion.
Some people do. This is the crux of the matter.
It's a bit of both tbh. But it also depends on the job and the person. If I was to meet someone down the pub and get on with them and then they told me they were in the army, it wouldn't stop me getting on with them.
You're assuming that your way of looking at the world is true for everyone. It isn't. It's only your opinion, same as what I think is only my opinion, although of course I think that mine is right - but I'm aware that it is not a universal law and other people disagree with me - something you need to get your head round.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2005085,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war
What do you mean by basic resistance? A sit down protest perhaps?
I have already admitted my assumption that I made about you was wrong. When you admit you are wrong it normally means that you don't believe it to be correct and true.
I do believe I am completely correct however on the fact that you stated things about me which were not correct and true.
I normally don't take debates this far unless I absolutely need to. I can normally agree to disagree with someone and let it be but this I will not let go until I get what I am looking for. This is an admittance that what you said about about me is unfounded and therefore not true.
I know that your view is different to mine but I still debate about it. You yourself do the same with others views as I have seen in many threads on this messageboard. Nobody can agree about everything otherwise life would be boring.
at the end of the day why spend money on iraq, what have they ever done for us?
But Parliament still voted for war and I suspect that like most people who work with intelligence they realise its limitations and like anyone who's worked with the UN they have no trust in that body.
You are asking the wrong question.
You should ask: What have we ever done for Iraq?
And the answer is: we only supplied and funded Saddam for years allowing him to kill thousands and thousands of his own people.
See where I am going with this?
Incisive analysis there, well done.