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so murder was necessary then? shooting an un-armed guy (who was on his way to fit a fire alarm) on the ground 5 times in the head was necessary then...get a grip! i'm sure the police have been through many terrorist drills and i'm sure they learned other ways of restraining potential suicide bombers, these police officers were caught up in a frenzy and went all out on some poor guy, and you say that guy could have been a suicide bomber, i say that could have been me or you running through london at that time of day, ever thought of looking at it that way
But he wasn't. It really is that simple.
If you are going to take someone's life, if we are to accept that the police are going to do that, then we have to be confident that they will only do so when they are CERTAIN that members of the public are at real rsik.
Suspicion, "could possibly" and "what if" is just not good enough.
No, it isn't smart. Does that justify killing him?
He a victim, you cannot balme him for what others did because they didn't make sure that they were correct in their ASSUMPTIONS.
I'm sure that the person who pulled the trigger is feeling pretty shit right now. As he should.
I don't think it is racist, but race is a point.
If it was a white English bloke in a suit they wouldn't have done it. Only drunks, Irish and now black people suffer it.
Not quite true.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/14/newsid_2530000/2530649.stm
IMHO one of the few times where there was no defence for the force used by the police and there ought to have been prosecutions.
Its shows that they aren't really thinking before they shoot, but, I can sympathis with the officers if the claims he was running from there are right.
the inteligence they had was not of an indivual but an address.
big time cock up.
the word inteligence is surely misused here.
As I pointed out in my attempted tongue in cheek dissection of the aforementioned article, one either finds or does not find something. What does "thought they found... mean?". Lie upon lie, excuse after excuse, backpeddling, altered testimonies, et al.
Can anyone with any critical rationality truly accept so much as even the categorisations employed by such an untrustworthy and self-protecting establishment?
Wake up people and smell the wholesale betrayal before allowing the powerhungry minority to mentally sleepwalk us all back into the tyranny we once established international tribunals to expose, indict and end once and for all.
You know, when I heard that it really was a totally unconnected man who had been shot, I remembered this story. I even remembered that it was a Mini that the guy was driving... and the name Stephen Waldorf...
If the police said they hadnt shot him because they only had a bit of an idea he might be carrying a bomb, it was only an uncertain suspision, so they stood back and did nothing while someone blew himself upand took out hundreds of innocent with him?
The uproar against the police would be phenomenal.
Another point- 'he was just and innocent guy', 'it could have been one of us running through london'- true. But it could be you on the next bus that gets blown to shreds.
Always remembered the case myself - It was a bit like the end of Bonnie and Clyde where they just ambush the car, with no attempt to make an arrest or even to see whether he was armed. Can't believe that people didn't end up in jail for it.
you mean a bit like what happened on the 7th of july? where the police were praised for the way they handled the situation.
they only tell you what they want you to know.
call me crazy, but that's a chance i'm willing to take to continue living in a "free" society.
Then they try to protect people and still get blamed for shooting an innocent person.
If the Police had so much evidence to suspect this man that it was acceptable to kill him, why was it also acceptable to let him get on a bus and why did it only take 24 hours to clear his name?
Actually, though, I don't blame the shooter. It won't be much of a surprise that I don't ultimately blame the terrorists either, as Ian Blair chose to. I do blame the government that played into the hands of the terrorists by adopting that 'war on terror' rhetoric (or perhaps 'bollocks' would be a better description). The can whine that 'the twin towers were attacked before Iraq!' 'til they're blue in the face, but if it was Osama bin Laden's intention to incite an international jihad, Blair played his part to perfection. He threw Brer Rabbit right into the briar patch...
He wasnt black...He was latin american, he LOOKED as white as can be.
Yes....people are saying this wouldnt have happened if he had been white...He was white.
That is such a non-point it isn't even funny.
The fact that people even think it is pertinent absolutely terrifies me.
I honestly don't know how people trust the Government who got us into this mess enough to give up all their freedoms for a bit of "security". I forget who said it, but he who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.
I'd rather the police actually followed the right person in the first place.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Ben Franklin
And whereas there is a genuine reason for taking the split-second and awful decision to execute someone in such manner, the crux of the matter is that it should have never reached that point. It should have never reached the situation where the suspect managed to run into a tube station and all the way onto a train.
- The very fact that he was being followed have raised quite a few eyebrows. It appears to be based on this man emerging from a block of flats under surveillance. I wonder who many people live in those flats. Dozens? Have they all been followed? Have a few people had a very lucky escape?
- Why oh why was the man allowed to board a bus and happily ride for 20 minutes, if there were concerns he was a bomber and might be carrying a bomb?
- Why oh why was the attempted arrest so amateur and badly planned? Had it occurred to the coppers that it might be a good idea to surround the man from several directions (so to block his means of escape) rather than group nicely behind him?
Major, major fuck up.
I know that the BNP have some harsh policies around illegal immigration, but even they don't recommend killing them.
I'm not even going to comment on how true the allegation might be, but I have a feeling that a few more people might crawl out from under their roacks to priase the police now...
total snow job and an insult to my intelligence is that report.
Good job BBC! :rolleyes:
Nice. Not one word of that is true.
Really? This is a BBC website. Why aren't they named? Total assumption anyway.
If it's expired how does that matter a wank? Oh right.
Lol. Sounds like dial a claim as opposed to wanting justice doesn't it. I don't know, they come over here, taking our jobs.....
Which isn't related to this execution in any way shape or form, but you will link them if you don't think while you read, God, we are good at this propoganda aren't we?
And one wrongfully killed. Don't think about that though - BE AFRAID!!
No, he didn't.
See, but as we led into this with a conclusion you can just swallow. theres a good fellah.
I would carry on but you get the idea and it's all fucking lies anyway.
They also said that electrical wires were seen on him. (Though i've NEVER seen a sparky in my life jump on a tube with wires poking out, let alone in this current climate.
The only thing is to wait for the coroners hearing and their verdict.
yes, but they have an ear piece and the wires are black, not bare copper as to what the news reader suggetsted.
If that were true anyway, it's an even bigger fuck up that they let him board the bus in the first place.
israel.......
(was in the times today)