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Are you saying the terrorists have poisoned my mind?
I mean prevented him from the capability of doing anything had there been anything to do. If you get me.
Then who?
No, the Govt.
This - "They're minds are clouded by the bullshit they're fed and what they're made to believe, they're made to believe that what they're doing is worth something." - could also apply to you (us) and what we are being fed by the Govt. The very defence being offered for the killing of an innocent man is based around the premise that it is okay to kill a terrorist, that it is something "worth doing" in defence of our "freedoms"...
How is that possible when I know barely anything about the the government or politics, and barely watch the news? I feel the opinion I formed on this subject is my own, I don't know much about the story anyway, just the simple cut and dry that we're discussing here. Or are you literally talking about mass scale government mind controlling conspiracies?
I'd hardly say they're running around shooting the wrong people, when it's one person, it's not like 50% of police officers kill innocent people once a week is it?
And it can't be based on nothing if the guy was thought to be heavily connected with the terrorists, can it?
Anyway enough for me, am too tired...been awake 29 hours and can't defend myself anymore :crying:
I don't know an amazing amount about it, but I think I know enough. Maybe.
Chaos, one thing you need to learn about me, is that I may not agree with everything I post aoround here. Sometimes I will put the view which opposes mine.
Anyway, your opinion is based on information which you have recieved from a source, yes? So, who is your source? Really... who is behind the "news" which get reported, by the BBC/Sky/CNN/Indymedia?
Who told the reporters the "fact" which they then use to form a story? Who edits that story etc...
Some people around here would have you believe that to be the case, and that the Govt is supporting major business, such as the Oil and Arms industries. The basis of this is the question of who benefits most from these outrages? The Govt get more control (through the introduction of stop & search, ID cards, shoot to kill etc) and the companies get massive profits as Defence Budgets and oil prices increase...
i find it alarming that such incompetence ...if that was all it was ...can be so easily defended.
the slippery slope is getting steeper by the day.
if it was my son ...or beckyboos son ...how do you imagine we would be feeling?
"oh well ...he died for the greater good."
In that case my source is the limited information from this thread, which I did mention earlier. But then that's a third party source which links to the media, which can twist anything and make us believe it. We weren't there, we don't know any better, I get that, and as for the government wanting to be in more control, they don't have as much power as they would like I don't think, and I doubt they ever will.
But you agree that the media might not be true, that the government can control what we here, so you're contradicting yourself. How could you be sure our history isn't lies?
In many ways society is getting worse, but we can't change that. At least in some ways it's getting better.
Highly debatable I'd say.
Do we actually know what it was based on?
we should all be up in arms ...outraged ...at what is happening.
Not so much lies as half-truths, or limited in it's nature.
They were know terrorists but it was only 'thought' that they had a detonator for a bomb - it later transpired they didn't.
Yesterday it was also 'thought' the man may have had a bomb. Again they took no chances.
I didn't mean in the six last six months. You can't say that our society has only gone downhill in the last six months, it's been sliding since it ever began, but certain things are getting better, opinions for example.
That's my point though, history isn't exactly as present and correct as it should be...but then I guess it's history and that's the way it now stands.
Not at all. I didn't mean to make a mockery of bombers and if I did that's not how I intend to sound (in a manner of speaking). I didn't say that we're not brainwashed, I just meant that suicide bombers are brain washed to a far greater, more exploited degree.
and had he been a bober ...he could have killed and maimed many by detonating his bomb in the chase.
utter incompetence from start to finnish from what i understand of the situation.
heads should roll.
there should be fucking uproar about this bollox.
we are forever being told we have the best police dorce in the world ...the best armed forces ...the best secret service ...the best special forces ...well thats obviously shite ...if we have the best i dread to think what others are having to live with.