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Yes, its sad knowing now that this guy was innocent but the police have to make a split second decision, this guy was running away from the police in a tube station the day after failed bombings. The police could not let this guy get away as he could of easily had a bomb on him and if he had let it off then many more lives would of been lost.
I don't think you can totally blame the police who did it. But yes it is a sad case and you have to feel for this guy's family.
The police are told this guy is a possible threat and they have to deal with it according to what they've been told.
I'm no good at debating ....
I think we all have our views but were just gonna have to wait for what the inquiry finds and then once that is done we can finally see what actually happened.
History is written by the winners.
The present by those in power now.
Never forget that...
The English seem to have to won every single war since 1066, apart from "minor" scuffles with the French. I've always found that quite odd.
And the Scots (Bannockburn) or American War of Independence et al
i posted this in anything goes cos there was already a thread in p&d about this and thought i might get those who don't venture into ...aww forget it.
Who won Waterloo?
Rolly: don't bother. Obviously this was intended to stoke up some debate with people not normally on this board. *sigh*
it was a cold blooded murder and those responsibly must pay
this country's behaviours shocks me more and more
the only terroists here taking my freedom are the government and they need to go, id happily go 4 years of economic mismanagement or the lib dems or god forbid the tories than go almsot permenently with a polie state as once these laws are brought in they're virtually never removed apart from in civil war
why cant the tories jut go on a civil liberties front as well as economic liberal front - ie classical liberal, they'd win, EASILY!
You cannot go shooting people because you think they might be terrorists. Would you lock someone up because you think they might be a burglar or would you require a trial and proof beyond reasonable doubt? The only possible justification for armed police shooting anyone is that they pose a direct and immediate threat to the police or the public: This man did neither. I understand why in such circumstances the police shoot to kill: If there is a direct threat they may not get a second shot so their actions must be decisive, they can't miss. However a witness has described the man tripping and being pushed to the floor of the carriage before he was shot. If this is so he had already been decisively overpowered and shooting him would have served no purpose even if he had been a terrorist.
As has already been pointed out the police generally consider shooting people very undesirable as dead men don't talk. The chasing down and shooting five times at close range of an unarmed man would therefore make me very suspicious of what he wasn't going to talk about if the police didn't already have such a marvellous record of having shot a naked man suspected to have a "concealed weapon" and man spotted being suspiciously Irish with a table leg in a bag.
Yes, the police have to act strongly to combat terrorism, but that their bad intelligence has resulted in a big waste of time and resources and caused the death of an innocent man does not support that. If they though this guy was a terrorist and he wasn't that doesn't say good things about their abilities to tell who ARE terrorists. And if they make a habit of investing resources based on bad intelligence, which the raids in Rusholme and on the flat above Dolphins takeaway resulting in no charges rather suggests they do, then that must leave much less resources accurately targetted than otherwise.
I think that this is an icident of absolutely critical importance. If there is a public inquiry with a swift response and heads roll crisis may be averted. Otherwise I fear public unrest and the creeping creation of fear and a police state.
If the police can shoot suspected terrorists, if they have all this power now to arrest people and not give them a trial... Well who will be targetted next? First it'll be the Islamics, then perhaps the anti capitalists, in fact technically the government could accuse anybody they wanted of being a terrorist because they don't get a fair trial anyway. Even if that person is working with human rights and speaks out openly saying things against the government's regime against Islam -cough- I mean terrorism.
And I do think the policemen involved should be done for murder. What happened was more of an execution... It seems like the sort of shit that was going down in the middle ages. Personally I think they got carried away, or panicked.
Why is it always racial? Have you seen the bloke? Hes whiter looking than me.
yeah no offence mate but stop watching so many films...
Trying to shoot a bloke in the legs while hes running, in a subway? Then we would have a thread about innocent bystanders having been shot.
The reason they killed him was because they believed, however wrongly, that he had a bomb....You shoot someone in the leg, he can still press a button or release a lever etc..
Hopefully this terrible incident will make sure that such a thing doesnt happen again.
This is the UK....not the US...
If 5 blokes whip out guns in the middle of the subway, theres a 99% chance they are plod...
Not so fast Balddog .......
You do know that Stockwell is in Lambeth, right?
I'd say the odds of it being plod are considerably lower than 99%
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