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My gosh. You are so new.
THAT = YOU.
NOTICE THE BIT WHERE I SAID "I'D REFER THEM TO MY PREVIOUS POST"?
HERE IS THE PREVIOUS POST.
Did you see that? Y'know, when I debated with the person with my own beliefs as WELL as those without? It's called not being a fucking child.
If I'd have claimed that I was a perfect follower of Christianity your "Nice Christian abuse you got there" MAY have had some cause. However, find me ONE example of where I claimed to be a perfect follower who never did anything wrong? g0g0g0g0g00g0g0
"Any proof will do"
Any proof you can give, will do. I can play act the ignorant-4-year-old-twat every bit as much as you can.
lol, now you're just being arrogant.........in reply to my previous posts, all you could say was 'oh well, deep down you must know god doesn't exist', that's a lame comeback, even by your standards, so just drop it.
This one?
So far we have found no eternal forces. Not even light and gravity. While the premise is comforting the lack of evidence does again lead to the conclusion that there is no "god". By the same token, the same lack of evidence can also lead to the conclusion that there IS a "god" if he were to operate that way.
It's absolute uncertainty, so at best gets you a 50/50 shot of the big bearded one existing. Still not proof enough either way I am afraid. All you can prove is that we definitely don't know which gets us nowhere.
time is an eternal force
"god never was, god never will be, god just is"...
How can you be sure of that?
I know I cannot. It's passage doesn't even remain consistent and at some point for me it will cease.
see people have their own concieved ideas of what time is...oh i have to be in work for 9...or this day is lasting ages...time is dependant on emotions and also on man-made clocks that move hands now and again...doesn't mean fuck all...truth is...time is eternal...it's always here...you can't stop or fast forward it...it's here to stay..bit like any idea of god...
Yes, you can. Hypnosis is one way, drugs can be another.
you talking bout shrooms and cid here...they just distort time...in reality...in real time...time is still at the same speed
lets look at a decomposing analogy...now a plastic bag will take something like 250 years (whatever that is) you could take acid for 250 years, stare at the bag and it would feel like 10,000 but it's still 250 years till it decompsoes...you might be able to temporarily fracture time and distort it but it's eternal, non-tanscient, ithink you have to move beyond normal conventions of time and look at it from a juggernaut force that keeps going....
weren't you banging on a few threads back how perception of reality doesn't equate to reality, objectively the clock doesn't speed up or slow down..........time is relative but not in the way you suggest......
If you were able to say that time existed outside your own experience of it then yes. It doesn't so you can't.
There is no objectively. Time is relative in exactly the way I suggest. If you think that time is going slow, then it is and the clock is moving slowly with you because it is subject to your perception, a part of it. Or are you saying that the clock is outside of your perception somehow?
"Banging on" where?
you were talking about time, you might die, but time carries on for everyone and everything else left alive
Guess we are back to that old stand by - "proof please"
well if someone put a bullet through your head right now, unless the universe is just a nights dream in your subconscious mind, then im still going to be here and you wont
but at last you might just have grasped the true meaning of freedom
Absolutely fuck all.
At best, the (distant) possibility that the Universe might have been designed by an intelligent being.
But...
No proof of God.
No proof that if there is a God, he is alive today.
No proof that if he's alive today, he's a God that matches the description of any of the world's religions today. A silicon-based 7-headed gay alien from Alpha Centauri would have as good a claim that his silicon-based, 7-headed homosexual god is the real one as you do. Because he would have exactly the same amount of evidence as you do (i.e. zero) to support the claims that there is a god and he's as described by his religion of choice.
So I'll ask you again: what the flying fuck makes you belive YOU have the right to state as a fact there is a God when there isn't ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support that claim, but I don't have the right to say the opposite as a fact?
You, my friend, are the one who is as bad as the worst Christian and Muslim fundamentalists.
Have you actually rade the links? They include critiques in them for a start.......
The first one I find flawed as even if you decide there must have been design in humans, who designed the designer? This simply leads to infinite regress and solve nothing........
The second one is the most interesting imo but as it clearly states it is only an argument for the existence of something that can be called God, not a support for a Christian |God or any kind of God with characterisitcs we might associate with it........
The third one is a clever one but I don't think many people will be convinced by the Descartes kind of line. Also this argument is not an argument for a Christian God..........
Yes, because as we all know reading makes you less aware and more stupid.
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I declare that the entire universe was farted from the backside of a huge intergalactic sheep around 35 years ago .. shortly before I was born. This is what my father told me and I believe him. I declare it to be true.
Now, can you prove that this didn't happen? If you can't prove that it didn't happen, does it mean it did?
Ian.
Already disproved it half a dozen times.
What sort proof for his non existence would you like me to provide?
What sort proof for his non existance can you provide?
why did he say such things?
cos blind faith is no faith.
Well, we've done teleological, cosmological, and ontological. What others have you got?
Then how do you know to have it?
how about unequivocal proof?.........hmm, nope didnt think so........god leaves man to his own devices and to make his own choices.......do you really think people would live their lives freely if they could see god over their shoulder watching them, knowing they'd have to answer to him for eternity........the answer is no.
Sure, how do you want me to reach it?