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Have you ever smoked cannabis whowhere?
And this here....
Can any drug user honestly say that their dealer give them free drugs the first time and then this was the trend of going back to find out you had to pay..bull fucking shit, a dealer dosen't give the drugsaway for free, the dealer sells them to make money, not to give away to someone for free :rolleyes:
The MAJORITY of people have been drinking and smoking for thousands of years. It's easier to ban something that not so many people do.
Shogun, no I've never used it. I've never felt the need to, same with smoking. I get my kicks from elsewhere, i don't need narcotics to do it for me.
Maybe dealers wouldn't give away free samples, they still milk people for all they are worth, come to a city in England and you'll see.
Surely you can't promote taking cocaine. Snort coke everyday for 20 years, it's good for you :rolleyes:
Weed is OK in moderation, I've done it plenty, but not hard drugs.
What annoys me also is when people boast about taking drugs.
People who smoke weed everyday should take a look at their lives, just the same have people who down a bottle of vodka everyday should.
I know 3 people who smoke weed everyday, all 3 live with their parents, have shit jobs and are going nowhere in life
You don't have a clue whats going on at street level. Typical police really. Utterly clueless.
If you are going to allow people to smoke cannabis why give the profits of selling it to criminals?! That makes NO sense.
Addiction is a medical problem and should be treated as such, jail is NOT the right place.
And these 'evil' dealers who prey on children outside the school gates hoping to get them all addicted, the only way you can change that is by taking their market away. Treating the addicts and by making available restricted amounts of the other drugs.
I get my kicks from alot of things, but yes cannabis is one of them, so is alcohol, do you drink?
Well i've never seen any real drug problems whenever i was last in england, that was years ago though.
Is it very bad the drug problems in england? I would like to hear from people who live in drug estates to hear their view on it as well because around here maybe a few people would get into trouble with the police or else the paramilatiries but other than that alot of people just continue to use drugs, although coke and heroin aren't big problems here, a few use coke, it's about if you wanted it but speed and e's and blow are about alot.
The police can't catch all shipments coming in and now alot of the drugs are made in the Uk and shipped out elsewhere as mroll said somewhere..that the uk are now a main exporter and you police are trying to catch it coming in.
In fact the crime rate in the UK has been stable if not going down since Labour came to town, and your now less likely to be the victim of crime that you have been since the mid-80's.
Do NOT believe everything you read in the papers.
Yes we have drug problems, but they are because of the shockingly bad drugs education and treatment services, not really because of the drugs in of themselves.
Many more millions smoke joints. No many social problems from them either, not because of cannabis anyway.
You want to target people Whowhere, target drunk and disordely idiots. They cause far more damage and grief.
Dealers/gangsters wealth?
Maybe a few long-term health problems from ecstasy and the stronger strains of cannabis. The state has a role in safeguarding the nations's health, prohibition or control may be the only way.
alcohol is not mind-altering in it's action, drinkers use and abuse it in a straightforward fashion plus it will not go away regardless of how many other drugs are permitted
Drugs are cheaper and stronger than they have EVER been in this country. Yes the state does indeed have a role to play, and that should be in protecting vunerable users, NOT putting them in prison.
the 1 million young people taking ecstasy every weekend, presumably?.
The state has no role in banning me or anyone else from taking any substance I please. Let's make that absolutely crystal clear.
Other than that, prohibition has never and will never work.
Oh yes it is. Alcohol is one of the most mind-altering substances known to man. Go to any pub at closing time on a Saturday night and you'll see what I mean.
Ecstasy on the other hand brings the very best in people and makes everyone happy, content and good to others. Even violence junkies such as football hooligans have been known to abandon violence when taking ecstasy became popular briefly a decade ago.
Anyway, drugs will not go away either regardless of how many laws are passed and punishments given. It's about time the government realises it will never, ever, ever ever stop people from taking drugs.
You cannot have it both ways. Either campaign for a decriminalisation of drugs or a prohibition of ALL drugs, including alcohol.
Aladin, did you see my Manifesto on drugs I posted recently?
If the education was better and the sources reliable it would go some way to protect users.
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59505
Legalise. I've yet to see a convincing argument against legalisation.
Alcohol not mind alterering? Errr...yeah, ok whatever you say. :rolleyes:
It's a tricky situation- the trouble is not with cannabis and such like, the trouble comes with heroin and cocaine.
These drugs are very dangerous and addictive, and cause serious damage very quickly into the addiction- cocaine rots the nostrils, heroin causes blood vessels to collapse. It isn't like alcohol or tobacco, which causes damage but only in small amounts over a very long period of time; cannabis does the same, and so should be in the same category.
The liberty argument is a compelling one, but it misses one key point- the state is there to protect people, from themselves as much as anyone else. The state cannot allow people to do what they want to their bodies, no matter how dangerous, whilst being fully able to discharge its duties to protect its citizens. And, to be quite honest, it's a bit rich for drug users to be demanding legalisation and at the same time demanding drug rehab programmes- if drugs are such a matter of liberty, people should be left to deal with it themselves.
The law is just about correct in this time- I would advocate rehabilitation of drug users, forced if necessary, rather than punishment, but for those who deal the drugs then I would advocate much stronger sentences. I suppose its the carrot and the stick- make it harder for people to get the drugs, but help them to get off them at the same time.
No, I don't think drugs should be legalised, because of the public safety concerns. Comparing heroin and alcohol is a ridiculous position to base an entire argument on.
It's not really in the same league as heroin, though, is it?
Originally posted by Kermit
heroin causes blood vessels to collapse.
Only if used IV with bad technique/dirty gear.
Heroin is much less physically harmful than alcohol. In fact its one of the least physically harming drugs there is.
Originally posted by Kermit
it's a bit rich for drug users to be demanding legalisation and at the same time demanding drug rehab programmes- if drugs are such a matter of liberty, people should be left to deal with it themselves.
This is nonsense too. Drugs should be legal due to harm reduction reasons as well as civil liberties. By your argument, we should not give any help to people with alcohol, tobacco, gambling, eating problems etc.
And therein lies the problem with drugs.
yes I drink, sometimes I drink a bit, but because of other priorities and self control not as much as I could.
Does a heroin addict have the same luxury? What happens when they lose control, they go overboard and spend all their money on it? They turn to crime.
legalising it won't change a thing, people will still be addicted to it, and will still do what they can to get it.
And to your earlier question, yes I'll be going after drunk and disorderly as well, thanks for asking.
I'll answer both questions for you. When the majority of the population believe that sitting around in a drug induced coma is a fun way to spend your life then I'm sure they will be legalised. At present most people kind of enjoy being able to have some control over the lives, so it doesn't really matter what arguments there are for, or against. Majority rules.
Typical police attitude actually. Pig ignorant and unwilling to listen.
No they'll be legalised when people understand that keeping drugs illegal is doing more damage than good.
Heroin for example if we have doctors prescibing free safe heroin, with clean needles in a safe envirioment you'll see the blackmarket collapse. Addicts will wan't to buy dirty gear off the streets at stupid prices, when they can get it clean and free. As a result you'd see crimes commited to fund drug habits drop dramatically. Drug dealing at the moment is controlled by organised crime and funds terrorism.
At the same time we can consentrate on education and harm reduction. You can believe in legalisation without agreeing with, or encouraing people to take drugs.
Pros:
1. It makes you feel good. No denying it.
2. It keeps the population docile if used moderatly unlike Alcohol.
3. Extra tax money to be spent on whatever the government wishes.
4. It keeps it off the streets.
5. Legal Cannabis farms and processing factories will provide much needed work, hell we could even export grade A UK ganja to other countries.
6. Compared to Alcohol and Tobacco the physical health risks are lesser.
7. Cannabis has real medicinal properties and is more the stress reliever than Tobacco.
Cons:
1. It makes you feel good, briefly.
2. Cannabis users are a little too docile, it would cut productivity and would be dangerous. Going for a funny fag break could be the last thing you ever do at work if you are around vital machines.
3. It bloody stinks!
4. Extra tax money would have to go on rehabilitation centres and treatment for hardened addicts (fair enough) and the income could be less than outgoings.
5. It keeps it off the streets, but kids would have to be introduced to something a little harder. Drug dealers will become more competative and violent. Lower black market prices.
6. It has the same mental problems alcohol does. Research into the effects of cannabis is sketchy.
7. There is no on the spot test for drug driving and police shouldn't have to waste time analysing piss at the side of the road. More arrests purely on suspicion with no evidence, possibilities of miscarriges of justice.
it's very easy to spot on here the people who's knowledge of drugs comes from the sensasional press stories of those who fuck their lives up with the stuff.
gearge best and thousands more like him have turned themselves into complete twats through alcohol abuse ...doesn't give you the right to say I ... can't use alcohol.
heroin is indeed the least harmful drug on the market medicaly long term. no liver, kidney, heart, lung or brain damage at all.
stick to much up your arm by mistake you die ...it rarely happens.
give clean heroin to people legaly and controlled and all the ships heading here full of the stuff will have worthless cargoes ...but maybe not ...change the course of the ship to a country where it it's still illegal (uncontrolled) and you'll make your millions.
productivity going down cos of smoking weed ...if people go to work smoking dope you may well be right but then people going to work swigging whiskey would have similar effects. why would factory workers suddenly start turning up at work thinking hey what a great place to get pissed!
i'm an ex heroin addict. i'm fifty years old and have never been a jibbering homeless wreck. i never knew any who were. but the streets are full of all kinds of failures and victims.
i am fitter and healthier than old freinds my age who worked and drank and avoided drugs. in fact ...i have a yearly medical and year on year ...i have perfect blood pressure, perfect pulse, no cloggy arteries. am physicaly big and physicaly very strong ...powerful. i have children and grand children all thriving.
this year will be my 36th year of smoking cannabis for pleasure.
there are millions just like me ...why do you think the millions like me have escaped the insanity and doom and desperation that so many of you believe to be inevitable?
ahhh ...i think i understand ...you believe mind altering to mean ...it alters your mind forever and not just saturday night!
like i said ...credability on this topic ...a big fat ...nil!
The state do have a right to control people to a degree; you can't just do what you want, there would be anarchy.