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I have a problem with the fact that you change debates into what you want to talk about. You made the following reply in response to a comment Kermit made: Then you twist it to start saying im making assumptions about your life, wtf I never said nowt apart from you have never had dealings with old people.
And for the record I have had nothing, I had no money, no job and no family so I know exactly how a pensiner feels when they have no money but the thing is they cant turn it round because being old they probably cant work so they stay in poverty, now that makes me mad.
Just stop twisting everything I say.
The Comedian returns!
a) Yes foreign students, keep our uni sector going, I think probably that the govt has a decent idea how many stay, if they don't leave then so what? Why do you think they wouldn't leave? Because tyhey get jobs to help the economy of course! be grateful!
b)Unemployment is low, you are basing your argument on a factory near you where some of the workers 'look foreign'
c) sexually transmitted diseases are risinf at the mo due not to Africans but to 'normal' people too stupid to protect themselves, msot of them white and English, kick them out of the country?
Yeah well your entitled to you opinion, I never mentioned once about him having no money, no heating, no home etc.
I made the comment about not having dealings with OAP's because clearly if he did have dealings with OAPs then he'd know like most other people the Help The Aged DONT give money :rolleyes:
I'm sure that you have something of greater value to contribute here...
If by that you mean that I have an empathy with the marginalised, the oppressed, the underdog, then yes. And I'm proud of that fact.
Doesn't surprise me. Its easy to carp from the sidelines if you've had everything handed to you on a plate. You don't know how lucky you are.
I only call people twats who deserve it. People who come out with ignorant racist and untrue statements or people who blindly assume stuff about my life and insult me.
Plus numerous reports on Channel 4 news, Radio 4 etc. And a John Pilger documentary. Its true about the opium production - I see the results at street level.
Like that was a majority of people. :rolleyes:
What the hell?
Kermit said that no one helps pensioners. I corrected him.
You then went on to assume that I have no idea about being poor. I corrected you.
THAT IS ALL. GOT IT?
Get that bee out of your bonnet. :rolleyes:
Does anyone feel like I do which is sometimes you have to be careful what you say because you can be taken the wrong way and accused of being 'racist' thats in the real world. I also feel that even here I need to be careful because with just typing and not actually talking to people I can come across totally different, so with using the wrong words or the wrong phrase I could be classed as 'racist'.
Personally I feel the whole 'racist' issue has gone too far and now you cant say anything because someone will always be ready to accuse you of being racist.
not so, as far as UK heteros go, 71% of HIV+ infections are acquired abroad, Africa mainly.
'people too stupid to protect themselves, kick them out of the country?' You may have a point there
Why focus on HIV though, there are plenty of other nasty diseases that are common domestically, it just so happens that HIV is far more common in Africa.........
Yes, you are 'interestingly ' wrong
'71% of heterosexually acquired HIV infections diagnosed in the UK in 2000/2001 were in people from Africa, or were associated with exposure there. Most of the African infection were acquired in East Africa but the impact of the epidemics in Southern and Western Africa is likely to contribute to new diagnoses.'
Why focus on AIDS, I'm not so keen on TB, Ebola + all else we could do without in UK
And you seem concerned about ebola- a virus that dramatic as it might be, it is also rarer than a Tottenham Premiership trophy. I wonder if you are as concerned by anthrax, as seen and suffered by our American cousins...
Who mentioned colour in respect of TB carriers? it was largely eradicated in UK, it's resurgence may well be immigration =related
The HIV+ africans are very likely to be non-white, those Zimbawean farmers are likely to be healthy specimens
We could test for HIV antibodies on arrival, it's likely they'd be present, then we could 'kick them out of the country'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,11255,1101797,00.html
However notice the tendancy to drift to the left on occasions: "People believe this is just a cover-up for failure in Iraq. It is playing on xenophobia to persuade people there is a fifth column in this country and show that something is being done."
However, the article is thought provoking and contains alot of truth. The Muslim community in the UK as a whole is not to blame for the apparent terrorist activities occuring in the country. The older generation of Muslims are traditionally peacful but it's the younger generation who have the tendancy to be more violent and drum up support for terrorist activities. Notice, "there is a growing realisation that the community is also under threat from within - radical puritanical strains of the religion imported from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are a particular concern, as are extremist groups such as al-Muhajiroun (the Emigrants) and Hizb-ut-Tahrir (Party of Liberation), which recruit at colleges and universities. There are fears that young activists are being drawn away from the more moderate interpretation of Islam fostered by their parents' generation."
As generations pass, now that we've let so many Muslims into the country, I can only fear the worst. Let's just hope that they have some sense like in the case of their parents and grandparents.
Perhaps if we tried to help these people rather than rounding loads of them up in violent dawn raids we might do some good, rather than just stoking the flames.
It could also be because we stopped vacinnating people.
Or we could treat them?
And if so what do we do with the people in the mean time?
In any case, I would imagine that many of those who are fiercely opposed to illegal immigrants wouldn't want to touch them with a 40ft pole, let alone sleep with them, so they're pretty safe from HIV+ immigrants anyway.
There is a 3 month "window" with HIV which means it can take 3 months to show up in your antibodies from the date of possible infection.
HIV is actually a very difficult disease to catch. It requires blood to blood or intimate sexual contact to catch.
I read somewhere that HIV could be carried by mosquitos... now that's scary.
As for immigrants I don't care that much really. I just try and put myself in the position of a person who is in a war struck country or who's grown up in poverty (although I cannot imagine their pain) and then I think why they'd come over here... I mean c'mon, it must be paradise compared to where they're from.
It's not UK Govt,'s role to set up a paradise on earth for immigrants, it's to provide for its citizens
i's likely that HIV+ immigrants would display antibodies on arrival in the UK, given may come throgh Europe to make their likely bogus claim in the UK.If a legal immigrant, it's unlikely , they'll contract HIV and then make a quick dash for UK, in that 3 month "window"
They will then be eating up NHS resorces for theit treatment, drugs, counselling + social services.
HIV testing seems a sensible move and of course would be targetted at those countries where AIDS is rife.
people coming from Glasgow for instance?
immigrants in the sense of discussion on thread, i don't think so, last I heard they're UK citizens