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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by *DEVIL*
    basically, in todays society we have reached the stage where if you are white or even worse, white and male you are not allowed to criticise multiculturalism, immigration, ethnic minority group or religion. if you dare to do this you are silenced by the accusation of racism. you then have to protest youre innocence. the thought police are here to stay. is it any wonder more people are voting for morons like the BNP.

    But then again, if you're a socialist, or anti-nazi you appear on redwatch.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    Pathetic non-answer, just others' opinions, inc. Barbara Roche who had no critique other than she doesn't like migrationwatch.

    :rolleyes:

    fuck off back to the BNP
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    I suggest you trot down to Wapping and ask to see the relevant back-copy as they do not have an on-line archive.

    Nicely wriggled out of. :rolleyes:
    Originally posted by solo
    The begging was stopped by the Police acting, it still re-appears on occasion (I was on the tube the driver announced there was a beggar inboard and not to give, said Roma got off looking pissed off.)

    Source? Put up or shut up.
    Originally posted by solo
    There will be lazy tabloid journalism, sure but the underlying truth is of UK a target for unworthy asylum tourists.

    No, thats your opinion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by *DEVIL*
    basically, in todays society we have reached the stage where if you are white or even worse, white and male you are not allowed to criticise multiculturalism, immigration, ethnic minority group or religion. if you dare to do this you are silenced by the accusation of racism. you then have to protest youre innocence. the thought police are here to stay. is it any wonder more people are voting for morons like the BNP.

    No, thats your paranoia. If you have criticisms then voice them. But be prepared to back them up with facts and a decent argument. Something which the "critics of multiculturalism" (which is a poncey way of saying racist, whatever way you look it) consistently fail to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    No, thats your paranoia.

    Caused by people like yourself. You have said people here are racist and sometime it has been unwarranted.
    If i was to say something here about black people or Asian people you would probably start calling me racist. Being white i am not allowed to express myself fully because there are always people like yourself who will call me racist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i spent a lot of my youth in moss side where the black guys used to tell me i was the only honky they'd ever met who was realy a white black man. cos i was big ...big hands ...deep loud voice and attitude. i took it as a compliment but used to say back to them ...no matter how hard i look at you lot i deffinately can't see the makings of a white man in any of you. none of you will ever make the grade.
    thats back in the seventies before pc. being able to take the piss out of each other is what bonded us. try taking the piss out of each other these days ...it's all gone wrong i'm afraid.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    try taking the piss out of each other these days ...it's all gone wrong i'm afraid.

    That is so true, things have changed and not for the better. I am beginning to beleive that this whole rascism thing has just gone too far. Probably brought on by the fact that we now have many more people of different races, if your white then chances are that at some point in your life you will probably come across as being racist just by having a joke and taking the piss.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Caused by people like yourself. You have said people here are racist and sometime it has been unwarranted.
    If i was to say something here about black people or Asian people you would probably start calling me racist. Being white i am not allowed to express myself fully because there are always people like yourself who will call me racist.

    Oh for fucks sake. :rolleyes: Paranoia or what.

    Get over yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Oh for fucks sake. :rolleyes: Paranoia or what.

    Get over yourself.

    no not paranoia.

    Can you debate the subject or SHUT up yourself.

    Thank you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you can find an example of me calling someone racist where you think it wasn't warranted, please do, and post your reasons why it wasn't warranted.

    Otherwise get over yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Otherwise get over yourself.

    Your normal response again. Can you for once change the record ?

    either debate the subject or as far as im concerned discussion closed with yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta:
    Source? Put up or shut up.

    I described real-life so there's no source (as if everything is put on a web-page). Police stopping Roma begging, you've never seen that?

    You yourself nicely wriggled out of telling us how telling us how and where migrationwatch.co.uk is racist.

    Put up or shut up, Blusta
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Your normal response again. Can you for once change the record ?

    either debate the subject or as far as im concerned discussion closed with yourself.

    I am debating the subject. I'm asking solo et al to back up their claims. They can't.

    Please tell me where I've unjustifiably called someone a racist. :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    Blagsta:


    I described real-life so there's no source (as if everything is put on a web-page). Police stopping Roma begging, you've never seen that?

    You yourself nicely wriggled out of telling us how telling us how and where migrationwatch.co.uk is racist.

    Put up or shut up, Blusta

    :rolleyes:

    Not really the sharpest tool in the box are you?

    I could post anything I liked on here, like the moon is made of green cheese or something. Without any verifiable and trustworthy sources it would be total nonsense. See? Its called debate. Either join in or fuck off back to Stormfront or wherever you came from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta: prove to us all now that you're the sharpest tool in the box by telling us how and where migrationwatch.co.uk is racist.

    If there were a useful debate around race it wouldn't be with you as anyone disagreeing is stupid or , wait for it, racist.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Migrationwatch is a discredited website that has its own agenda.
    I think we both know what that is.

    Why don't you post something to back up your claims. Oh no, you can't. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why don't you post something to back up your claims. Oh no, you can't.

    I did, the Terence higgins figs. the UNHCR figs. (maybe others, i forget)

    Unlike you I'm prepared to take others' anecdotes in good faith, even if they counter my points
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No is denying that there is a massive problem with HIV in Africa. Its your interpration of thes facts and your total lack of analysis as to why this situation exists thats the problem.

    But you don't back up your apocryphal stories along the lines of "asylum seekers eat our children". You just post propaganda straight out of a BNP meeting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    i spent a lot of my youth in moss side where the black guys used to tell me i was the only honky they'd ever met who was realy a white black man. cos i was big ...big hands ...deep loud voice and attitude. i took it as a compliment but used to say back to them ...no matter how hard i look at you lot i deffinately can't see the makings of a white man in any of you. none of you will ever make the grade.
    thats back in the seventies before pc. being able to take the piss out of each other is what bonded us. try taking the piss out of each other these days ...it's all gone wrong i'm afraid.
    That is so true, things have changed and not for the better. I am beginning to beleive that this whole rascism thing has just gone too far. Probably brought on by the fact that we now have many more people of different races, if your white then chances are that at some point in your life you will probably come across as being racist just by having a joke and taking the piss.

    Care to make any comment Blagsta ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes.

    I can talk like that with my black mates. One of 'em makes joking homophobic comments about the way I dress, I tell him he looks like a crack dealer in return.

    Its all about context see?

    Anyway I'm off to a party. See ya.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I may go to that boot-sale tomorrow, i wonder if that Roma girl will be sitting there parading her stump of a leg for begging purposes. i suspect she's forced to sit there by family/others. I see roma all over the place in similar fashion. Why should UK inherit the Roma problem, we're a long way from E. Bloc? Spineless and directionless asylum policy emboldens such ppl to strive to get here. I (+ migrationwatch) feel we should not accept this and a whole lot more that's happening.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    blagsta hasnt got a clue, he obviously thinks that the problems of the world are all caused by the evil racist white man ha ha ha ! fact: it was a white man who ended slavery. can you explain to us why it is acceptable to be proud to be black and to have the voice, 'britains best black newspaper'. if i claim to be proud of my white culture and heritage i am classed as a racist! liberals like you are very fond of saying we are all equal, this is obviously bullshit
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    One of 'em makes joking homophobic comments about the way I dress, I tell him he looks like a crack dealer in return.

    I've experienced a lot of prejudice from Afro-caribs against gays, jews, Africans and I'd guess Whites. i also saw a BBC2 doc. on how Afro-carib youth were organising violently against particularly Kosovan youths in their schools. doin't like opposition and use violence as 1st line of attack. Liberal media likes to play on an imaginary victim status, the reality is quite different
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And here we go, back to the extremely tired same old argument. A miniscule insignificant minority within a group commits crimes, or organise itself in gangs, or (worse of all) begs on the Underground and disturbs White Man as He goes to work, and that is enough for some to claim that everyone from that race or ethnic group is the same, and that nobody from that ethnic group or race should be allowed into the country.

    I'm sorry but I can only see one explanation for this: racism and/or deep prejudice.

    White British people rape. White British people murder. White British people rob. White British people mug. White British people burgle. White British people form gangs and terrorise their neighbourhood. So when are we going to hear complaints from certain quarters about the menace White British people is to society?

    What? Do you find it unfair to judge the whole of White Britain for the actions of a few? Then why the fuck should it be any different with non-white, non-British people?

    Take your time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ok, lets see, i think it has come to a stage now where the minority have the upper hand

    we are not equal, no we are not! you know why? because the government have made sure that white people have no say.

    As major tom will agree, we are both doing a teacher training course, everything is based around the 'pc' attitudes people are brainwashed with.

    situation 1 - (recption class)

    a school obviously a higher ratio of ethnic than white, a teacher employed specifically to deal with multi race children. during a maths task, the english speaking child asked a question, the teacher (who was asian, speaking in punjabi) abruptly answered the english child and turned to the group of asian children to help them. (if this was a white, english teacher this would be WRONG!)

    Personally i do not agree with this age group mixing, the various languages, and religions confuse young children (speaking from experience before you start lecturing me!)

    Situation 2

    A head tecaher had a confrontation with a child who insisted on wearing excessive amounts of decorative jewelry, the teacher asked her to remove it due to health and safety, the child kicked up, so did the parents, explaining that it was part of their religion, the school, who consists of 99% white children felt this was wrong due to the fairness of the situation.

    Also behaviour in schools cannot be regulated or kept fair due to different cultures and religions, i am sorry but all children should respect and listen to class instructions, this is why we get the problems now, because people are not treated fairly as young children.

    situation 3

    i was in a queue in a shop, when it came to my turn the black woman behind the counter said i am sorry but this is not the queue it is over there, i agreed and left with no discussion, however the black bloke behind me was served. i also work in a shop if had done this to the ethnic people who join my queue i would receive severe disiplinary action, for racial discrimination!



    So why is it ok for them and not us?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok alladin, can you tell me why liberals like yourself regularly brand things as institutionally racist? is that not tarring all the white people who belong to the company or organisation with the same brush? just admit it, you think only whites can be racist. ive met asians who think blacks are animals, and vice versa. we all dislike people for invalid reasons, sadly its human nature. how many ethnic minority people are convicted under the race relations legislations i wonder?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by *DEVIL*
    Ok, lets see, i think it has come to a stage now where the minority have the upper hand

    we are not equal, no we are not! you know why? because the government have made sure that white people have no say.

    As major tom will agree, we are both doing a teacher training course, everything is based around the 'pc' attitudes people are brainwashed with.

    situation 1 - (recption class)

    a school obviously a higher ratio of ethnic than white, a teacher employed specifically to deal with multi race children. during a maths task, the english speaking child asked a question, the teacher (who was asian, speaking in punjabi) abruptly answered the english child and turned to the group of asian children to help them. (if this was a white, english teacher this would be WRONG!)

    Personally i do not agree with this age group mixing, the various languages, and religions confuse young children (speaking from experience before you start lecturing me!)

    Situation 2

    A head tecaher had a confrontation with a child who insisted on wearing excessive amounts of decorative jewelry, the teacher asked her to remove it due to health and safety, the child kicked up, so did the parents, explaining that it was part of their religion, the school, who consists of 99% white children felt this was wrong due to the fairness of the situation.

    Also behaviour in schools cannot be regulated or kept fair due to different cultures and religions, i am sorry but all children should respect and listen to class instructions, this is why we get the problems now, because people are not treated fairly as young children.

    situation 3

    i was in a queue in a shop, when it came to my turn the black woman behind the counter said i am sorry but this is not the queue it is over there, i agreed and left with no discussion, however the black bloke behind me was served. i also work in a shop if had done this to the ethnic people who join my queue i would receive severe disiplinary action, for racial discrimination!



    So why is it ok for them and not us?
    I hope that by the time you've completed your teacher training course, your grammar has improved. A few more full stops in the right places would considerably increase the chance of your posts making sense.

    Not that I would normally call someone out on their literary skills, but someone aspiring to be a teacher...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Major Tom
    blagsta hasnt got a clue, he obviously thinks that the problems of the world are all caused by the evil racist white man ha ha ha !

    Find where I said that and you can have my next pay cheque (an offer I seem to make quite a lot on here - no one's taken me on up on it yet. I wonder why :rolleyes: )
    Originally posted by Major Tom
    fact: it was a white man who ended slavery.

    duh. :rolleyes: well remembered from your GCSE history
    Originally posted by Major Tom
    can you explain to us why it is acceptable to be proud to be black and to have the voice, 'britains best black newspaper'. if i claim to be proud of my white culture and heritage i am classed as a racist! liberals like you are very fond of saying we are all equal, this is obviously bullshit

    No one has ever said that to be proud of white culture makes you racist. Talk about being paranoid and reading into things.
    But the fact is, as a white man in this country you are the majority culture and have things stacked in your favour.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    I've experienced a lot of prejudice from Afro-caribs against gays, jews, Africans and I'd guess Whites. i also saw a BBC2 doc. on how Afro-carib youth were organising violently against particularly Kosovan youths in their schools. doin't like opposition and use violence as 1st line of attack. Liberal media likes to play on an imaginary victim status, the reality is quite different

    Racism and prejudice comes from all sides. No one has said any different.

    What was your point again? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    What? Do you find it unfair to judge the whole of White Britain for the actions of a few? Then why the fuck should it be any different with non-white, non-British people?

    Because he's a scared little man hiding himself behind racism.
    I never met a racist who wasn't an insecure scared coward underneath all the bluster.
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