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Yeah you right, only a murder, big deal, ah fuck it, its only a life, the family will get over it, no big deal. Its not as if its really gonna effect anyones life is it, I mean those poor guys, no money, no family, come here for a better life, no problem to chuck the odd murder in. No big deal.
Jesus Christ:(
I wouldn't say so, the absolute number of asylum seekers coming here matters, not the convenient statistic used by the Rfugee Council and himself (per1000 of UK population). Every single one of them coming here claiming will burden the system, the NHS, schools, accomodation from NASS. They want to live in London, putting huge pressure on the infrastructure here so, again at our expense they have to be displaced up north. We, the taxpayers pay all the way. it's not as they, asylum seekers are begnign passive creatures, I heard the union representative for Immigration services concerned for deportation complaining they weren't being supported by the issue of flak-jackets as they were meeting extreme violence with knives during encounter with them.There are real villains amongst their number, what about the 'HIV assassin-Knya/Somali???' of tabloid fame, or the Algerian terrorist suspects interned. I suspect HM Govt is playing down problems associated with this International Underclass we're attracting to the UK, all credit to the Sun and the Mail (there, that didn't hurt, Alladin, did it?) for giving us a fuller picture of what most of us can see with our own eyes .
"Internation Underclass"?! Come on! Arent you being just a tad over the top. From what you are saying you have had bad experiances with some immigrants, which is harsh granted. But I've had bad experiances with 'natives' (whatever that means) but I dont hate all the people who live here.
By taring them all with the same brush you are being just plain racist there really isnt any other way of saying it.
Of course the only figures that matter are the proportional ones! Do I have to explain it again? Do you think 10,000 refugees would have the same impact in Andorra as in the UK or Germany???
As for the S*n and the BlackMail giving a "fuller picture" of the issue... if you really trust those rags to give fair coverage of asylum there really is no hope. Do you believe in the in the wonders of the Bible Code too, as featured regularly in the HateMail? What about those crop circles? The Mail reports them, so it must be true right?
Like I said, the impact these people are having on the NHS, schools, etc is next to fuck all. It really comes as a surprise to me that the S*n and the Mosley and some of their readers are suddenly so concerned for the wellbeing of the NHS. Last time I looked they wanted to privatise it in the best free-market Tory style.
But if the rags and their readers are so concerned with public services in this country they should stop crying about lowering taxes instead of targeting immigrants that cause minimal impact on the public services.
They could also give more coverage to white British benefit frauds, tax evaders and of course tax exiles, which deprive this country of billions of Pounds in revenue every year and do far more greater damage than all the asylum seekers in the world could do. By happy coincidence one of the worst offenders in tax evading is Rupert Murdoch, the illustrious owner of the S*n. Wouldn't it be nice if he registered his British companies in Britain and pay the tax he should if he's so concerned about our public services, instead of blaming the asylum seekers? :rolleyes:
He's an evil racist homophobic warmongering bigot, and the biggest danger this country faces. The day he finally pegs it champagne corks will fly aplenty in my household.
> Bush/blair, Murdoch, rage/spleen, exaggeration.
How in your wildest imagination could the 'absolute number' of asylum seekers be meaningless?Every single one of them will incur a cost . The 'absolute number' of taxpayers is meaningless is of course the 'absolute number' of pensioners as is. the 'absolute number' of dole claimants. Let's not bother to count them , eh?
However, what do you say when you look at the situation this way?
We are British citizens, we were born here and raised here and so we have the right to work and live here. Therefore if we commit a crime, it is on paper no lesser a crime than if it was to be committed by an illegal immigrant. BUT. In high-and-site, an illegal immigarant has no right to be here, he is abusing the system. So therefore if he commits a violent crime, there is bound to be a bigger outcry than if it was a legitimate British citizen because an illegals crime could have been avoided in a greater capacity (since he/she isn't supposed to even be here in the first place).
I aplaud intellectual foreigners who come here and work legitimately, contributing to the British economy by doing so. I have nothing but admiration for them because I hope to be one of them when I move to Germany or Australia in the near future. But even these legitimate foreigners complain that their taxes are being spent unnecessarily on the rising amount of illegal immigrants or legitimate immigrants who have no intention of working and contributing to our economy. Do you work bongbudda and Alladin? Are you not concerned that a large deal of the taxes you are forced to pay may be going towards providing homes and essentials not only for legitimate asylum seekers but for illegal immigrants aswell? And David Blunket sure as hell hasn't announced any plans to tighten up immigration or improve the system. London is overcrowded as it is. What I really hate to see is young Turkish and eastern european men in their big gropus standing around Trafalgar Sqaure and Picaddily Circus in the evening, expecting to do what exactly? Get with some unfortunate English girl or start a fight?
I think another problem is the issuing of passports to illegal immigrants. I have heard of instances when the government cannot be bothered to deport or deal with illegal immigrants in some other way so then it just gives them bloody passports?! I'm sorry if that might infringe in someway on your liberal beliefs Alladin but that ain't right. Also passports are being stolen and sold to illegal immigrants and this has to be stopped surely? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/08/05/npass05.xml
What do you two suggest we do? The number of immigrants coming to Europe from Africa and the middle-east is increasing. People complain that tighter immigration laws will not help because the conditions for immigrants in their home countries is attrocious and yet when our armies invade Iraq and depose of Saddam Hussein in the attempt to establish a democracy, there is a public outcry at this?!
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If 10,000 asylum seekers cost the state (just for the sake of the argument) £10m per year, and that is ultimately paid by the tax payer, who do you think will affect the greatest?
Luxemburg has some 455,000 inhabitants: it will cost each person £22 per year to sustain those 10,000 immigrants.
The UK has some 60,000,000: it will cost each person less than 17p per year to sustain the same 10,000 immigrants.
£22 v 17p.
Tell me again how unfair it is that Britain take more refugees than small countries...
Yes I do work, and no I have no problems with the "large amount of my tax money that goes to immigrants" because it DOESNT! Are you not listening at all, in real terms immigration does not cost the UK very much at all! I'm not sure how many times we have to say that.
The fraudulant use/selling of passports is a criminal offence and should be delt with as such, but it really doesnt have a great deal to do with the immigration issue as such. It is a market that has been created and as with all markets demand creates supply.
I would suggest that the immigration laws and implementation need to be looked into, mainly because I dont think they are working as well as they might. But I dont see a real pressing need to put up 60 ft walls all around the UK.
To tackle the problem I would like to see the UK try and help the countries where these people are coming from more, to try and stop people wanting to come here.
And I think your comment about the war really isnt relevent, the reasons why people protested about that were very clear and are becoming more obviously true every day. But what that has to do with immigration is beyond me.
They come uninvited, we didn't ask for them, they pose varying degrees of hassle for us, they come through a continent of safe countries to get here (Europe + beyond ), not that I think the UK should honour the '51 Convention which is well past it's sell-by date
I believe there is a threshold of course. I just think we're nowhere near it. That this country could take many times the amount of immigrants we do without significant detriment to our economy and services. And that the actual cost the immigrants that do arrive and stay in this country turns out to be is rather insignificant.
If people are so conscious about 0.1 p in their tax Pound (or whatever the pittance happens to be) being used in helping immigrants, why aren't they concerned about the amounts that must be 50 or 100 times larger blown on defence, on nuclear deterrent, on the upkeeping of the monarchy or many other things we could either live without or slim down rather drastically?
Do you really have a problem paying a few pence each month to help others?
As for the 'illegal' status, well I've never had a problem with economic migrants (for that's what they are, those who are not genuine refugees) so long as the country can absorb them without detriment. We in the West are partially responsible for much of the poverty and misery that plagues this planet, and the very least we can do is welcome at least some of those who flee the misery and poverty and want a better life for themselves.
That's not to say we invite everyone in. There has to be a limit to the number of people who can migrate. But we're nowhere near that limit, despite the protestations of the racist tabloid press.
And so to the 'criminals' issue. I won't say there are no criminals amongst immigrants. There are no people, country, tribe or group in the world who is free of criminals. But the great majority of immigrants are honest people who would like nothing better than to be given a job and treated with dignity. But what chance of that there is, when people share such prejudice as the one you've shown here, talking about 'groups of Eastern European men' looking to pester women or start fights?
If all the British people who emigrated to the US, Canada and elsewhere over the years had been treated like we treat immigrants here, you can be sure that the British abroad would today be known as good-for-nothing criminals and thieves living off the state.
I'm not the one mindlessly spouting drivel from the pages of the Daily Mail.
Fuck off basically, unless you've lived here. Actually it might do you some good. Lambeth is the most multicultural area of the UK, and while it has its social problems, in general, all cultures get on. Try it, you might be surprised (if you can overcome your prejudices that is).
I can't take a lunch break to come see you, I'm too busy. And I'm seeing an old friend for drinks in the evening.
I'm quite often down Coldharbour Lane on a Friday night. Yes there are dealers and the occasional bit of trouble, but thats down to poverty and social exclusion, not immigration and race.
As I said before - you're aiming your anger at the wrong people.
LMFAO! What fantasy world do you live in?
In one that I wish I didn't, the UK.
Why yes I can, look at the census data for Leicestershire 2001, Belgrave is 25% white British, Evington 55% for your information.
Yes there is a concentration in some areas but it is not as pronounced as you suggest and as i suggest there will almost certainly be dispersion over time.
Better then no doctor or nurse at all though isn't it? Or would you seriously rather wait far longer for an English speaking health preofessional than receive attention from an immigrant? if so you are an idiot.......
How can life expectancy not be very strongly associated with the quality of health provision? Rising life expectancy is an obvious sign of a decebnt health service, you can get treatments for illnesses now that would havce been untrrateable decades ago, the NHS has received massive funding, yes it could improve but it ain't that bad, moK can set you right.....;)
Why do you think a comapny will employ an immigrant? They must have a good reason don't you think?
Unemployment is currently very low.
We need immigrant workers because of immigrants, what the hell kind of gibberish is that?
Which is what exactly?
I persionally find it utterly incomprehensible, please enlighten..........
So if some white kids are ill mannered an badly spoken and rude to me, I should blame asylum seekers? These cultural characterisitcs are utter bollocks aren't they, they have never existed apart from in Hugh Grant films amongst any general section of the population.
Being here to work and being here illegally are
not mutually exclusive.
The expression is won't not can't.
And please don't believe what the media are telling you about the NHS, it really isn't that bad.
That said, I would love to know why you think that immigration is detrimental to the NHS...
Of course it is the per capita value that matters more, look at Als example again please. The UK is the fourth largest economy in the world with one of the top 20 per capita GDPs and our asylum intake should reflect that.
Govt spending on asylum seekers makes up something like 1% of the budget, hardly anything, i beleiev we spend more on farmers subsidies.........
Huge pressure on the infrastructure? I suspect that is just bollocks, can you back that up?
Again you are ignoring the fact that the immigrants and asylum seekers legal or illegal that work in this country help support the infrastrucutre.
The average post war immigrant to Britian has been a net provider to the economy, we are all richer because of immigration, be thankful.........
What has it to do with GDP, asylum seekers bypass France for the UK, Japan takes virtually none. if the will of the British people is that that shouldn't come, then so be it.
You're bluffing and if even if it were true I wouldn't be grateful, it's not as if the UK had any say in post war immigration, it was imposed upon them. Are you saying that Afro-carib/bengali / muslim high unemployment doesn't exist?
Might just be why ythey're being moved out of London in numbers.
there's a lot of facts english people don't know ... People pay five to ten grand to get a family here, why would they come for £28 a week? (Kosovan Albanian)
each person pays $6000. this is enough to live on sitting at home without work for five to ten years. (Kurd)
I left Rwanda suddenly because my family was killed in 1994. then later because I was studying in Uganda in a seminary they came and took us into the bush for training because they wanted us to fignt. they were Tutsi soldiers. we decided to run away, three of us, but unfortunatly one of my friends died on the way. we left him there. (Young Hutu Man)
There is nothing to live for, nothing to dream about, nothing good to think about. (Nigerian Man)
i don't know where my wife is and I don't know where my children are. here I go off to college and I go home. I don't have any occupation, I don't have the right to work. (Man from Zaire)
I could go one, but I won't.
Refugees have left everything they held dear, before some people carry on verbally abusing them, and those that support rights for refugees, put yourself in their shoes, just for a minute, and think, think and then think some more. Most of us have absolutly no comprehension of what they have had to face - nothing to live for, no hope, no security, no deams...
Why is it the the same papers that report devastating conflicts fail to recognise the people most affected by those conflicts. Home, entire villages destroyed - these people don't just vanish.
According to your profile, you're only 16. What the hell do you know about "Traditional british culture"? I'll tell you - fuck all. This "traditional british culture" that you're banging on about never existed. People who think it did are living in a Daily Mail wank fantasy. The whole John Major Britain of "cricket on the village green, warm beer and old maids cycling home before dark" is a myth, a fantasy constructed to appeal to nostalgic middle Englanders. The "well-spoken, well-mannered and keeping your head down and getting on with it" Brit is a ridiculous idea. It doesn't exist.
evidence?
In fact Blagsta, I'm 18. My current sole problem is with rudeboys. Because they dress like Twats, talk like Twats, walk like Twats and act like Twats. What kind of idiot goes around wearing his hood over his cap? One that wants to cover his face so that he can mug some poor bastard. And Who talks like Dis RudeBwoy?? "Don't make me switch" "I'm gonna bust you up" "I got my bredas?" "Bust me your phone" Fucking twats thats who. And why the fuck do they limp like they have a bullet in their leg? Do they need to see a doctor for their leg? All of them?? Bit strange. Sort it out!!! I have sensible suggestions, dont wear a cap and a hood at the same time because it sort of defies the point, look "Bust me" up in the dictionary and see that its not there and then learn how to speak English, go see a doctor about your limp and stop being so aggressive. How about saying hello to people and smiling at them instead of staring em out and then mugging them?
Peace to the 'immigrants'.