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What the fuck has Stalin got to do with anything?
I was telling you why your previous question is debatable. 10/10 for avoiding answering with a total non-sequitur. Fact is, much like you can't tell me what constitutes "British culture", you also can't answer these questions either.
Anyway, to keep it simple, British culture is pubs, sunday roasts and keeping a stiff upper lip. And no I dont think that "A system that allows a very few to have lots at the expense of everyone else is a good or "advanced" system?" I never said that I did. How is this statement relevant anyhow?
You asked "why is Europe the most technologically and culturally advanced continent in the world?" I replied that it was debatable that it was. You replied that this was a "typical liberal response".
I replied by stating why it is a debatable point. You have consistently avoided answering. Shall I repeat myself?
Can we measure cultural value? If we can, by what criteria do we measure it? Are these values absolute or relative? And by European culture, I'm assuming that you mean liberal capitalism. It is a fact that under capitalism, very few own most of the wealth at the expense of the majority. This is a fact not a "reflection of communist ideology."
From http://www.unesco.org/courier/1999_03/uk/dossier/txt12.htm
Do you think that is "culturally advanced"?
Still can't see what Stalin has to do with it. The words "grasping" and "straws" come to mind. :rolleyes:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Evidence? You can't provide any.
Why do you laugh at your heritige Blagsta? You clearly coudn't give a shit that your British and are prepared to let this country be overrun with foreign people. Some people have nationalistic values and pride in their country, if you could'nt give a shit about the future then it's your own downfall which you advocate.
Come on Blagsta, either debate or dont post.
Why do you always do stuff like this ? I aint read all the thread and I dont know who's said what but really is there any need for that reply ?
This is the politics forum for debate, bout time you realised that.
I laughed because your response was so typical, simplistic and risible that it hardly deserves a response. But I will reply if you like (although you are so stuck in your bigoted narrow minded views that I doubt it will make fuck all difference).
Yes, these things you posted are aspects of "British culture". But to think that "British culture" is a homogenised and static thing, betrays a huge lack of knowledge, observation and analysis. "British culture" is a mutable ever changing thing that means lots of different things to different people. For some people it is pubs, roast dinners and the stiff upper lip (this last is not a good thing imo, leads to repressed emotion and all sorts of neuroses), although where this leaves my black and asian mates (some of whom are Muslim) in your world view, when they come down the pub with me or eat a roast, I don't know. Hardly "erasing our culture" are they?
But British culture is so much more than this. Britain has a long tradition of dissidence and political protest. Read up on the Diggers, the Levellers, the peasants revolt, Wat Tyler and the enclosures acts sometime. Did you know that squatters rights go back to the English civil war? Did you know that Balti meals are uniquely British? As is vindaloo and biryani? That house music that you hold so dear is a product of immigration, a mixing up of cultures. Drum'n'bass and jungle is also uniquely British.
A night on the piss is often rounded off with a kebab. Another product of immigrant culture.
The fact is, that your cosy rose tinted view of what "British culture" is, is a myth, a chimera that never really existed. People like you cling to these old myths because they are scared, scared little people who can't cope with diversity, with people having a different view of life to them, cowards who can't cope with change. I despise people like you. In fact, scratch that, I actually pity you. I wonder what happened in your life to make you so bitter, so angry, so closed off to life that you have to expend so much of your energy in hating your fellow human beings.
The problem with right wingers is they make things up because their own perception is so twisted by their bitter fucked up logic. Its easier to whinge about "liberals" (don't assume that about me btw, assumptions can be dangerous) than to actual back up your views with facts. :rolleyes:
Because I like mocking right wingers. Their opinions are laughable. Read the thread.
Did you know the largest ethnic minority group in the UK is the Irish
So laugh to yourself, dont waste a post on
ha ha ha ha ha oh stuff it I cant be arsed to do that many ha's.
The joys of ctrl+c and ctrl+v
And also signed him to his own record label, truly an act of vicious racism, signing up the kid and making him into a multi-millionaire.
In young, leftist peer-groups, the worst crime is to be a bigot or , heaven forbid, show any racist tendencies. The only way that findings prejudicial to an ethnic group could be discussed would be if they were given academic credence, discussion thereafter would be permissable . They are thought-clamped, poor lambs.
Er...do you actually know how this island became populated?
1. "An" - i.e. this means one, a measurement less that two but more than zero. Given the hordes you seem to think are coming into the country are you really prepared to base a judgement on a whole race on the actions of a single person?
2. The "hundreds of pounds" of explosives would fit into a shoe heel. Guess it must be a BIG shoe.
1000 years ago, we were the violent invaders.
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You know, I've just sat and read the entire thread and you have yet to back up any of your assertions with fact. It's all conjecture.
I mean liberal in an American sense, i.e. New Liberalism, not classic European liberalism. All this shit you're saying about the "richer few" taking advantage of the poor majority and how you wish everybody to be considered as socially equal when many people do not deserve to be considered as such.
Man of Kent, the amount of explosives found in this man's house is not the issue but the fact that explosives were found. You think that if a peadophile was found to have 1000 CD's of child-porn in his house, it would make the fundamental issue any different than if he was found with 100? The figures, in this case, do not matter. The fact that I mentioned any at all was a mistake on my part, but the issue of a man being found with explosives in his house still stands.
"An" - i.e. this means one, a measurement less that two but more than zero. Given the hordes you seem to think are coming into the country are you really prepared to base a judgement on a whole race on the actions of a single person? Yes it was only one man but you misinterpret my argument. I'm not categorising every immigrant as being a terrorist. I have said time and time again that legal immigrants to this country are more than welcome in my opinion. My concern is with the illegal immigrants. Why are they entering illegally and not going through the process? They obviously have something to hide. And if this is not the case, then why do they wish to get into England so badly? Why not stay in France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Austria, Switzerland??? They obviously have some sort of objective by coming specifically to the UK rather than anywhere else in Europe? I agree that most of them are probably here in good intentions but the minority who bring weapons and explosives with them in an attempt to commit terrorist acts must be stopped!! Do you not think so?? My argument is with these people and has been all along!
"Er...do you actually know how this island became populated?"
Yes I know very well. Let me remind you of what I said that caused you to reply in this way.
"we have hundreds of different nationalitites and cultures entering the UK which wasnt the case 1000 fucking years ago."
I said HUNDREDS. 1000 years ago, the UK was predominatly a mixture of the Anglo-Saxon Germanic people, The Viking people of Sweden and Denmark, The Gealic Celts and the French. Where in the name of fuck do the Arab, Asian or African countries come into this? 1000 years ago, we were a mixture of about 5 nationalities, now we are mixture of hundreds. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but I'm backing up my original quote that you had trouble with.
In this case, he wasn't an illegal immigrant. So your whole point about him is irrelevant.
Yes I do, just as I did for the Irish who came over here armed, doesn't mean that I label or condemn the majority.
Indeed the mix is wider. Had transport been easier 1000 years ago, I doubt it would have been any different to what we have now though.
Sorry Black Arab, you're wrong. Figures from the genral Census of 2001 show that 3% of the British population is made up of muslim ethnic minorities while only 1.2% is Irish.
Man of Kent, the man in question was not an illegal immigrant but a British citizen. However, I was using him as an example to illustrate my point. If the government is prepared to give passports to people like this then I urge them to be more careful and srict with immigration in general. Almost the entire police force in Birminham is being called up, as I write, to defend the city against suspected terrorist attacks. Where do these attacks come from? Immigrants thats who. Legal or illegal, Irish or Muslim it doesn't matter. There has to be a tighter policy of control to prevent immigrants, wherever they come from, from abusing the system not only by not working and contributing to the economy but also from committing attrocious terrorist acts that affect the legitimate British population. This was my original point. I am aware that the people I speak of are only a minority in the UK but, nevertheless, they and immigration have to be more tightly controlled in order to avoid social catastrophe in the future.
But I think the point that some of us are trying to make and the one that you seem unable to grasp is the scale of the problem. There are no 'floods' or 'tides' or whatever other loaded term you wish to use. In real terms immigration is a NON issue.
And just because you dont like the look of people because they wear burkas or "stand about on the street" does not mean to country is on the way to ruin. I suggest you look closely at your attitude and work out why you hate these people for what appears to be no reason other than skin tone.
Many if not most of the people arrested under the new anti-terrorism act during the last 2 years are born and raised in Britain.