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Egypt would probably only go to war if their water supply was threatened.
So there you go Vox.
If Israel is bent on invasion, then they must suffer the consequences of any invading force, including the risk of casualties.
To say the Palestinians aren't allowed to defend themselves from attackers, but Israel can take any action necessary to ostensibly stop suicide bombings, is plainly hypocritical.
Considering how much the Palestinians have suffered from Israeli massacres, invasions of their land and having thousands and thousands of their homes destroyed it is no wonder that a few have decided to carry out suicide bombings. The suicide bombings are wrong as they target innocent civilians but to say the problem is down to arab suicide suicide bombers shows total ignorance of the situation - That is like saying the Nazi holocaust was all the fault of resistance fighters against the Nazis!!!!!
Face the facts the Palestinians have had their land stolen from them! They are denied basic rights in their own land they are not even allowed to use certain roads in the occupied terrortories or to build homes without permission!!!
Palestinians have suffered by far the most casualties in the 54 years of war with Israel!!! Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been shot, injured, tortured, and maimed for life by the Israeli armed forces!!! By far the vast majority of casualties in this war have been Palestinians!!!Read about the facts of what is happening!
[ 27-04-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
Sorry but when exactly did Israel belong to them??? <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
today an a palastinian got into a home killing a 5 year old little girl in cold blood. what did she ever do to him?
and top your shit with your whining about "they were kicked fomr their homes " blah blah blah
they have no respect for human life.they use their kids as human shields, they are not shooting only at israeli soldiers but murdering women, old men and young children as we have seen today.
i donno who got all of your shitty piece of mind up your ass but you sure do not know what is goin on.
pictures of 3 out of 4 victims of todays murdering done by a squad of palastinians.
<img src="http://a1948.g.akamai.net/7/1948/2075/v0003/www.ynet.co.il/PicServer/200302/185188/3harugim_adora_m.jpg" alt="image">
[ 27-04-2002: Message edited by: DPsy ]
what a full of shit site.
give me 2 days and i can make you a site saying something like : the eskimos are trying to conquer the world after killing a million people world wide.
i bet you are muslim, only that way you could have got all those freaky ideas from your shiehs.
Until 1948.
One of the questions that I fully expected to be addressed in this thread was whether or not the British government had the authority to give away territory that they took from the residents to form the state of Israel. I'm suprised no one brought it up.
DPsy:
What is the point of posting the pictures of only the victims of one side? I mean, I'm sure if I wanted to I could find pictures of Palestinian civilians who died and post them too.
"they have no respect for human life"
Get real. The most militant of both sides have shown callous indifference toward the lives of civilians. Shooting rockets into civilian areas is just as bad as suicide bombing. In both case, noncombatants die.
After fighting each other for 50 plus years the only thing that the common people of both sides is for the killing to stop. Implying that the common people of one side, but not the other, somehow value human life less is naive and borders on bigotry.
As far as i have read in any history book so far, and heard from people living in that time, Palestine was in the hands of the British. And before that, the Turkish.
????
That's what I said in the next sentence of my post. Britain gave part of Palestine, which they controlled, to form the state of Israel.
What did you think I meant???
Maybe it is to early for me to post on a weekend...
Well, I don't think it was necessarily fair. The First World's colonization over the the Third was one of the more shameful parts of our past. I think that the people who live on a piece of land have more of a claim to it than "their" government thousands of miles away.
But would I go as far as to say that Israel shouldn't exist? No. Something had to be done to provide a place for the Jewish people to live. It just should have been done better, although who knows if it could have been. Seeing the mess that has existed for the last 50 years should be a reminder to the First World that these things shouldn't be very carefully planned.
I think the unusual situation makes a clear
sole claim to the land impossible. I would disagree with anyone who says the land belongs to either Israel or the Palestinians.
I know that you try to be neutral, and please don’t see this as an attack from my side, but who would you say it belongs to then?
Israel control it, therefor its hers to decide.
I could say the same thing about where you live, Los Angeles California? if you say the territory does not belong to israel, you can jsut the same thing about the USA,
how about all the Native americans that have died cause of the white man? its theirs as equal as its yours. and you can say the same thing about any other country in the world. its just that the white man was more powerfull with weapons and all that now you have the usa, and im not saying that its wrong.
in almost every move you make for one side the other side will get hurt in a way.
its the main rule on nature, The stronger survives.
you may say, "what do israel expect when they invade palastinian town, that they will sit in quiet?" and i ask you this -
is killing innocent civilians, women and children is a reasonable way to fight back?
a little about history:
in 1947 the UN decided on spliting the israel area to 2 countries , an arab one and a jewish one, soon after the arabs didnt like the idea of a jewish state near them so they opend on an attack to destroy the jewish presence in israel.
you are so naive when you talk about its palastinian land blah blah , they seek the no existence of israel, and its been proven.
so it comes for you to decide or that you support the existence of israel or that you dont.
if you choose the 2nd option, theres nothing for me to talk to you about.
Neither of them. Yeah, I know, the easy answer, but what else can you really say?
I think the solution will leave both sides unhappy, in fact, I'm sure of it. The outlying settlements will have to be abandoned by Israel and they aren't going to be happy about that b/c of the threat to their security. Of course, technically they shouldn't have built them anyway. But then again, Israel will have to be given more land so that it isn't 15 miles wide in the middle, which as they've pointed out leaves them in a precarious security position, or the security has to be guaranteed in another way. The Palestinians will have to give up on the idea of the refugees coming back and of regaining all of the territory lost in 67.
As for Jerusalem: international city. No way both sides could ever be trusted to be in such close proximity to each other (given the history) and neither side will let the other have it.
Of course how would this be done? Good freaking question.
Maybe a DMZ between the two?
DPsy:
Write more clearly. I have to make vague guesses about what you're trying to say.
In regards to the US-Native American thing:
What did I write? First world subjugation of the Third was wrong. That applies to the US (First world) and Native Americans (pretty much the Third World at the time) as well. I have Native American blood in me, don't lecture me about it.
As for the rest, I'm really confused as to what you're trying to say.
I am sorry, but I didnt really get your post Alessandro. And was wondering exactly what you meant?
The victorious Jews then renamed their section of Palestine Israel and declared it a country in 1948. The creation of Israel had caused the destruction of 500 Palestinian arab towns and villages and the displacement of 800,000 people and the seizure of 78 per cent of the land of Plaestine!
You can call me a "stupid fucking idiot", when you start knowing yourself what you are talking about.
Quite a problem with Stealgate; people are so used to him posting nonsense that, when he posts facts, it is very easy to debase him.
Please attempt to argue with his portrayal of history, Jacq. Is the true reason you refuse to that you know he is right?
Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
[ 28-04-2002: Message edited by: stealgate ]
650,000 Palestinians left their homes during that first year or so, they became refugees...Funnily enough, almost exactly the same number of Jews were forced from the surrounding arab countries. Israel welcomed these Jews into their new country, the surrounding arab states didnt do the same for the Palestinians despite being dozens of times larger than Israel.
Just because the surrounding arab countries didn't welcome the Palestinian refugees doesn't mean that the Israeli's were right! Israel has continued to seize Palestinian land and build illegal settlements on it over the decades! In Israel and the occuppied terrortries Palestinian arabs are denied basic rights and are treated like the blacks were under apartheid South Africa! Nelson Mandela even described Israel as a country which practices aparthied against the Palestinians!
Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
Im not saying the Israelis were right...That wasnt the point I was making about the refugees. Just pointing out that the arabs also drove out the Jews...However one side absorbed its refugees, the other let them rot in a desert for 50 years.
I wont show any solidarity with Palestine until they stop the suicide attacks. Only then will they gain the moral high ground against the Israelis.
Funny, cause it is said that the Israeli group Irgun in Deir Yassin got "welcomed" by white surrendering flags, and when they tried to pass through they got shot by the same houses where the falgs showed!!! Of course they fought back, and got through. But the arabic radio is said to have overdramatized this at that time.
Not the exact same story, huh?
[ 28-04-2002: Message edited by: Jacqueline the Ripper ]
Just because you can quote a falsehood, Jacq, doesn't suddenly make your argument correct. In fact, it weakens it.