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Is it shallow to be attracted to attractiveness, and look down on others?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well I couldn't care less about anti-capitalists who send me hatemail in response to articles about me, saying I should be helping save the world instead of working in the City for my own gain, the right sort of people - other ambitious people who want to go far in life - want to befriend me and vice-versa. Once again, when there's so many people out there you could be good friends with, why not go for the ones who can offer you something extra.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because those types of people seldom actually want to be good friends with you, they more than likely want to milk you for what they can get then they'll be onto the next sap.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    People skills are fine, in person - am very popular and rub the people that matter up the right way. Dale Carnegie's book on 'how to win friends and influence people' is golddust. Attitude you can't just change like that but fuckit I can live a good life this way.

    I don't think it's very healthy that you spend so much time trying to achieve an "ideal" and find the partner who fits this ideal. You're reading other people's books for tips in becoming popular? That's not the right way to go about things cos you'll just get lost, what do you want, genuinely? I think you're obsessed with image and reputation and it's making you come across as a sad twat.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    icey wrote: »
    Because those types of people seldom actually want to be good friends with you, they more than likely want to milk you for what they can get then they'll be onto the next sap.
    Friends I've had from school, 1st year of uni etc, I'm still close with today, even if we're following entirely different career paths - a lot of my friends have moved overseas to New York to be Corporate Attorneys, Wall Street etc. Even though they're doing different career paths we can be there for one another, and I'll be shown a damn good time when I holiday in NYC this summer.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reputation, reputation, reputation! O! I have lost my reputation. I have lost the immortal part of myself, and what remains is bestial. My reputation, Iago, my reputation! (Cassio, Othello)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery I think I'm becoming attracted to you. Your Oxbridge degree and 6 figure salary could be useful to me to help me get my foot on the rung of the ladder. I need a suit btw, for my job. Any chance of a loan I'm a bit short... about an inch too short. Bugger.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What sort of reply are you looking for jomery? All you seem to be doing throughout this thread is tearing apart other posters responses. This thread is just going to escalate same as all your other threads and will end with a long trade of insults and the thread being closed.
    So save us all the time of reading through mountains of posts and just say what you actually want to know. I understand there was an original question and many have answered that only for you to shred their replies so surely there is some other agenda for this thread that hasnt been covered thus far?
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    I think Jomery should STFU and move to Hull.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Whilst I have everything from my friends that other people have in terms of trust/honesty/loyalty,

    What loyalty have you got when you said earlier that they'd drop you like a hat if you for some reason became disfigured etc. Thats the time you need friends most not for them to f*ck off just because you've had an accident of some form. Thats certainly not showing loyalty and it's not true friendship. Sorry but I think you have a very misguided idea of what friendship is and for that I am truely sorry for you. What an emotionally lonely life you must leave. Yes you might have people to socialise with but there is far more to life than that to stop it being lonely.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kazbo wrote: »
    What loyalty have you got when you said earlier that they'd drop you like a hat if you for some reason became disfigured etc. Thats the time you need friends most not for them to f*ck off just because you've had an accident of some form. Thats certainly not showing loyalty and it's not true friendship. Sorry but I think you have a very misguided idea of what friendship is and for that I am truely sorry for you. What an emotionally lonely life you must leave. Yes you might have people to socialise with but there is far more to life than that to stop it being lonely.
    Trust me, if you were in a crash and became horribly disfigured you'd barely have any friends left who'd make the time for you when you can give nothing back. Happens across the whole country - marriages collapse and people lose their close ones when something like that happens. I don't care about that anyway, am risking the chance of not becoming horribly disfigured/disabled, but as I said if that happened to me I'd be too embarrassed to be in the company of people if they're going to have to make sacrifices/do me favours and I can give little back.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Trust me, if you were in a crash and became horribly disfigured you'd barely have any friends left who'd make the time for you when you can give nothing back. Happens across the whole country - marriages collapse and people lose their close ones when something like that happens. I don't care about that anyway, am risking the chance of not becoming horribly disfigured/disabled, but as I said if that happened to me I'd be too embarrassed to be in the company of people if they're going to have to make sacrifices/do me favours and I can give little back.

    I'd actually beg to differ there. I have some amazing people as friends who'd go out of their way to support me and make sure that I had the support I needed to get back on with my life as best I could. Yes I'm not saying all my friends would by a long way, but I doubt for a second any of them would run because I couldn't give them something for once, it would more be a feeling of uselessness of not knowing what they could do to help me that would make them run.

    It's a shame that you see everything having to be a benefit from a work and career aspect. Work should be there to allow you to live life, not to be your life. A person can give so much without needing to be beautiful on the outside. it's the inside that counts and can brighten a persons day and help make a person happy. If only you'd stop and try to meet some of these "ugly" people you may just realise what you were missing out on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Trust me, if you were in a crash and became horribly disfigured you'd barely have any friends left who'd make the time for you when you can give nothing back.
    I'm going to put my neck out on the line here, and state I'm in some agreement with Jomery on this. God forbid that a huge incident like that ever happened to anyone on these boards, but if it did, you would soon find out who your real friends are. That's when friendships become something altogether more powerful.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "omg sweetie you look so pretty!", "wow don't you look stunning!" etc

    Comments like that are frequent between female friends when they put up attractive pics of themselves on online profiles. Is that 'shallow'??
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    "omg sweetie you look so pretty!", "wow don't you look stunning!" etc

    Comments like that are frequent between female friends when they put up attractive pics of themselves on online profiles. Is that 'shallow'??

    I don't think it can be classed as shallow. What are you trying to say is shallow about someone complimenting someone else? It may be 2 faced if it isn't meant or could be an empty compliment if said because it was deemed appropriate to give a compliment at a time you wouldn't necessarily compliment someone, but I cannot see anything shallow about it.

    Although I've never really seen comments like that...it's usually "omg you look wasted again"!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Trust me, if you were in a crash and became horribly disfigured you'd barely have any friends left who'd make the time for you when you can give nothing back. Happens across the whole country - marriages collapse and people lose their close ones when something like that happens. I don't care about that anyway, am risking the chance of not becoming horribly disfigured/disabled, but as I said if that happened to me I'd be too embarrassed to be in the company of people if they're going to have to make sacrifices/do me favours and I can give little back.

    What a load of rubbish. I wouldn't say they're 'friends', tbh.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Jomery wrote: »
    Trust me, if you were in a crash and became horribly disfigured you'd barely have any friends

    I'm sorry but thats bollocks.

    Not everybody is a shallow and selfish as you. Jomery you are going to live a very sad existence with that attitude..
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery, is there anyone in your social circle that isn't a high flying graduate? It seems to me that you are every bit as bigoted as the example you gave before of a white working class bloke who doesn't know any muslims.

    Do you know anyone who has some kind of socially responsible job? A nurse, a council worker, a charity volunteer? Or are they beneath you socially? Many of them have excellent degrees from good universities - they've just chosen to help other people instead of helping themselves.

    I counsel a lot of wankers in my job and the worst ones are the previous high flyers who had it all. They lose the lot and they're fucked - emotionally and financially. That's karma for you I guess.

    The kind of reputation that you are so proud of would make me ashamed. I'd much rather be known as tolerant, kind, helpful, and witty than "an oxbridge grad 9/10".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    "omg sweetie you look so pretty!", "wow don't you look stunning!" etc

    Comments like that are frequent between female friends when they put up attractive pics of themselves on online profiles. Is that 'shallow'??
    Of course it's not shallow! People WANT to be attractive ffs. It's the first thing you notice about somebody and basically speaking if you want to find yourself a mate and reproduce you tart yourself up, make yourself look the strongest etc. Like a peacock with his flashy big colourful tail. That's basic animal instincts.

    However, humans look for more than that - all the various qualities people have stated through this thread. So after the initial attraction stage people look for more. You don't seem to understand this and are just looking at the attractiveness of the person - which IS SHALLOW.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery, is there anyone in your social circle that isn't a high flying graduate? It seems to me that you are every bit as bigoted as the example you gave before of a white working class bloke who doesn't know any muslims.

    Do you know anyone who has some kind of socially responsible job? A nurse, a council worker, a charity volunteer? Or are they beneath you socially? Many of them have excellent degrees from good universities - they've just chosen to help other people instead of helping themselves.
    Well I can't say I know of a single Oxbridge grad whose gone off to be a nurse. A few of my friends have gone into charity/philantrophy, an Oxford girl I met in Zimbabwe could have done anything she wanted and is doing conflict resolution, I have utmost respect for her. Quite a few of my friends I went to uni with have now become teachers, but as a result we have distanced - they never come out to any decent restaurants, bars or clubs because they say they can't afford it, when they occasionally go out to grotty little pubs and Infernos Clapham (a couple walking away when they hear it's £5 or £10 entrance) they're just constantly moaning about how they can't afford anything, get hurled abuse at by kids all day, and wish they'd done a plush city job instead. So because I like nice not grotty places the friends I most regularly see these days are fellow 'high flying graduates'.
    I counsel a lot of wankers in my job
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    I'd much rather be known as tolerant.
    Yeah, queen of tolerance aren't you there petal!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think limiting yourself to certain types or people limits your worldly knowledge drastically. There is much to learn from all people of different backgrounds.

    Beauty comes from within - I could walk into a room full of people and instantly fancy some of them - when I walk out, the ones I fancy will probably be the ones I didn't even notice at all when I first walked in.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For such a high flyer jomery i find it amusing how you seem to make a fair few posts throughout the day, wouldnt most business people be working during this time?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I find that a little sad. If I met a friend who didn't have much money, I would just go to wetherspoons or for a coffee and have a chat with them. Not everything is about money.

    I like to go to nice places but they don't always have to be expensive. I would rather be with nice, interesting people, than in a posh bar with horrible snobs looking down on others.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    icey wrote: »
    For such a high flyer jomery i find it amusing how you seem to make a fair few posts throughout the day, wouldnt most business people be working during this time?
    I post during lunch break and evenings/weekends, not during work time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Quite a few of my friends I went to uni with have now become teachers, but as a result we have distanced - they never come out to any decent restaurants, bars or clubs because they say they can't afford it, when they occasionally go out to grotty little pubs and Infernos Clapham (a couple walking away when they hear it's £5 or £10 entrance) they're just constantly moaning about how they can't afford anything, get hurled abuse at by kids all day, and wish they'd done a plush city job instead. So because I like nice not grotty places the friends I most regularly see these days are fellow 'high flying graduates'.

    :D does that remind anyone else of that episode of Friends where Rachel, Joey and Pheobe all complain at the others for going to expensive places all the time and then when Ross, Chandler and Monica offer to pay for them get insulted at the charity?

    If you're a true friend to them then you make time to do things that everyone wants to do, not just expecting people to fit in with the places you want to go and things you want to do. Maybe you deserve the shallow, half hearted friends and life you have.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kazbo wrote: »
    If you're a true friend to them then you make time to do things that everyone wants to do, not just expecting people to fit in with the places you want to go and things you want to do. Maybe you deserve the shallow, half hearted friends and life you have.
    Enjoy a fun-filled, laughter-filled, care-free night out with my "shallow" high-flier friends, or a morbid one with my depressed, whiny, no-self-esteem teacher friends? Tough choice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Enjoy a fun-filled, laughter-filled, care-free night out with my "shallow" high-flier friends, or a morbid one with my depressed, whiny, no-self-esteem teacher friends? Tough choice.

    To be fair, maybe you know some strange people because most of the teachers I know feel very satisfied from their jobs and are quite happy and cheerful people. Although I'm sure if you go on about your 6 figure salary and how much better your high flying city mates are, as much irl as you do on here it's enough to make anyone depressed and miserable.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Enjoy a fun-filled, laughter-filled, care-free night out with my "shallow" high-flier friends, or a morbid one with my depressed, whiny, no-self-esteem teacher friends? Tough choice.

    Funny, because I'd much prefer a night out with people who are able to let loose and not worry about what everyone thinks of them. Seems your "friends" might not have as good self-esteem as you think, just like you clearly don't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kazbo wrote:
    To be fair, maybe you know some strange people because most of the teachers I know feel very satisfied from their jobs and are quite happy and cheerful people. Although I'm sure if you go on about your 6 figure salary and how much better your high flying city mates are, as much irl as you do on here it's enough to make anyone depressed and miserable.
    Even though everyone on here's said they feel sorry for me and would rather they be them than me?

    My friends did TeachFirst etc so are (trying to) teach in some of London's worst inner city comprehensives = lots of abuse, uncontrollable classes, sounds like hell. I'm sure teaching at a good private/grammar school where people are well-behaved would be a pleasure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Even though everyone on here's said they feel sorry for me and would rather they be them than me?

    My friends did TeachFirst etc so are (trying to) teach in some of London's worst inner city comprehensives = lots of abuse, uncontrollable classes, sounds like hell. I'm sure teaching at a school where people are well-behaved would be a pleasure.

    Kids will be kids whatever background they are from!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Seems your "friends" might not have as good self-esteem as you think, just like you clearly don't.
    I'm both arrogant/full of myself and have low self-esteem? Make your mind up.. I don't have low self-esteem.
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