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Is it shallow to be attracted to attractiveness, and look down on others?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery: are you happy with your life?

    If not, then why do you think that is?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    I'd call most of the British population wankers. People who pick fights for no reason when they get drunk, mindless racists, football hooligans with their pathetic drunken chants, people who drink too much and end up throwing up week after week never learning to watch their limit, etc. And yes I'd class myself as a wanker too 'cos I'm selfish.

    Yes everyone can and most likely has been a complete and utter cunt in their lives. The good thing about people is that we can change!

    This means one day your time will come too Jomery, you will have a huge big cock slapping reality check right across your face. It'll open your eyes to the things you've been avoiding and perhaps secretly longing for.

    You wanna live like common people....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Namaste wrote: »
    Tbh though, associating with 'most the British population' would be a start to understanding them. 'Most' of the British population isn't how you've described.
    As a mass generalisation I think most chavs are wankers and most posh people (like myself) are wankers - both can be ignorant and utterly selfish (eg football hooligans chanting their shit at 3am), whereas people in the 'middle' can be more reasonable and open-minded.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    As a mass generalisation I think most chavs are wankers and most posh people (like myself) are wankers - both can be ignorant and utterly selfish (eg football hooligans chanting their shit at 3am), whereas people in the 'middle' can be more reasonable and open-minded.

    People are people. Good and bad everywhere.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery: are you happy with your life?
    Yeah I'm pretty content and happy with my life - the most important thing to me is health and I'm in great shape, get to work out at a good gym, relax well with the whole spa/massages shizzle. I get lots of free time to rest, watch TV etc. The girl issue is sorting itself out, I'm not down atm about my lack of experience because I'm confident things could work out with new girl. So yeah I'm happy right now. But like I said ordinary people doing ordinary jobs are just as / more happy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What makes you more than an ordinary person?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What makes you more than an ordinary person?
    It's not 'ordinary' to get a string of A*s (OK these days loads of people do but not when I took them), get an Oxbridge degree, be on a 6fig salary in early 20s, etc. This stuff I take for granted tho.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    It's not 'ordinary' to get a string of A*s (OK these days loads of people do but not when I took them), get an Oxbridge degree, be on a 6fig salary in early 20s, etc. This stuff I take for granted tho.

    What are you trying to prove to us? It's just the same old shit. Well done you for being smart and rich and 'happy' - so what are we supposed to be discussing here?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm early twenties.
    I got 7 A grades at GCSE (ok, so not A*)
    I'm 2/3 of the way to completing a degree from York, which is only just behind Oxbridge in terms of degree quality.

    That covers the intelligence part. As for the 6 figure salary, I doubt I will ever, ever make that amount of money, not even in my lifetime. I'll be happy if, between us, me and my partner can earn enough money to buy a modest house somewhere in Yorkshire and raise a family. These things are important to me.

    Honestly, I think you are rude, conceited and arrogant. I'm not chav, a football hooligan, a drunkard, vomiting in your street at 3am, a bricklayer with no A levels, a drunken, mindless racist. You seem to view the rest of the population (other than yourself and fellow investment bankers) as this. You're wrong - I don't know (personally) ANYBODY who fits your description of the "other 99%".

    As for being able to discard 99% of the people in London and associate with the "top" 1%, have you ever thought that perhaps IF people have the same ideas as you, they include YOU in the 99% of people they wouldn't touch with a bargepole?

    But hey, I'm glad you're happy with your life. Do you think you could stop moaning about it on here though? If you're that happy, why moan about it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote: »
    What are you trying to prove to us? It's just the same old shit. Well done you for being smart and rich and 'happy' - so what are we supposed to be discussing here?
    I was asked a question so I answered it for fuck's sake.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    It's not 'ordinary' to get a string of A*s (OK these days loads of people do but not when I took them), get an Oxbridge degree, be on a 6fig salary in early 20s, etc. This stuff I take for granted tho.

    You'd be surprised... I don't know what background you're from, but I know lots of people who get A* grades and who are getting 1sts in their degree (some come from well off enough backgrounds not to have to work though).

    Tbh it's nothing special, neither is earning a lot of cash, but then it depends what you value really. To me, a paycheck is nothing compared to an artistic, intelligent or open-minded individual (not that they are not exclusive traits, I just don't think you need to be especially talented to get a good degree, but more a hardworker). If you have got a 1st degree from Oxford, whilst working two jobs then fair play, you're a hard worker... But you don't need to be anything special to get a degree... You just need to be able to relay what information you have beem given on to paper.

    Not to say that you haven't worked... But from what you've said about yourself, apart from having money you seem pretty ordinary by my standards. Too many people these days seem to think they're "unique" or out of the ordinary (and often better, or 'special') when they aren't. If you wanna look at people who aren't 'ordinary', you need to look further than shallow exclusive wine bars...

    There are people living real and unconventional lives (not to say you aren't Jomery, but from what you have defined that apparently makes you 'special')... Being truelly eccentic, crazy, visionary not because they have money, but because they look beyond convention and cultural norms. These people are not 'ordinary'.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Have been called arrogant quite often on this site. Arrogance means having an inflated opinion of yourself, thinking you're better than you actually are. I don't think I do. I'm very healthy (county sports), intelligent (Oxbridge degree, high IQ), good job/career prospects, well-groomed, speak well, very popular/likeable in person- people want to get to know me. On the downside I'm rubbish with women, but that may slowly sort itself out- am dating a nice girl (investment banker). All in all therefore I don't think I have an inflated opinion of myself, I'm actually doing pretty damn well overall compared to most people my age.


    BUT Are you Happy?

    You don't sound a happy chap and seem to need a hook to hang everything off of or a label to justify yourself.

    Oxbridge is a label it's not the name of a University - is that a degree from Oxford or Cambridge? or do you just use that label to double your appeal by mentioning two Universities in one go?

    And why did you put in brackets dating a nice girl (investment banker)

    Most guys would be happy enough just dating a nice girl - regardless of her job, and most people would rather be dating someone who can spend time with them then someone who can't because they work over 100 hours a week.

    Do whatever it is you want that makes YOU happy and doesn't harm others.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've got to be honest, if I am socialising with girls, I usually tend towards socialising with the fittest ones where possible.

    But I am very flirty and stuff and some people are so ugly I can't even flirt because it just makes me feel gross!

    ah well.. lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've got to be honest, if I am socialising with girls, I usually tend towards socialising with the fittest ones where possible.

    But I am very flirty and stuff and some people are so ugly I can't even flirt because it just makes me feel gross!

    ah well.. lol

    That's different to making friends though. If you're looking to flirt of course you're going to look for someone you are attracted to :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's psychological to want to be with attractive people. It's something to do with the good genes theory- we want to mate with attractive people so that we have attractive babies so someone will want to mate with them and so our genes keep being passed on.... so it's not necessarily shallow. I don't think it's particularly nice to judge someone based on their appearance though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    But no if I was in a car-crash and became horribly disfigured / unemployed of course I'd lose a lot of people close to me, but I'd opt for euthanasia anyway, wouldn't want them to spend time with me when I can't give them anything back.

    Well if you need a lift anywhere, give me a call. I'm afraid I don't have an airbag in the passengers side though.

    Is anyone else thinking of the song Paranoid Android right about now? Written by a fellow Oxbridge graduate, no less. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've got to be honest, if I am socialising with girls, I usually tend towards socialising with the fittest ones where possible.

    But I am very flirty and stuff and some people are so ugly I can't even flirt because it just makes me feel gross!

    ah well.. lol

    Yeah, but that's different.
    I'm the same, as in I usually socialise with good looking girls because I like flirting, and alot of my female friends I find attractive. Although I still have a few female friends that I don't find good looking, because at the end of the day if they're nice people then it doesn't matter and I'll still be their friend.

    My male mates, I couldn't give a shit what they look like.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dobbin wrote: »
    It's psychological to want to be with attractive people. It's something to do with the good genes theory- we want to mate with attractive people so that we have attractive babies so someone will want to mate with them and so our genes keep being passed on.... so it's not necessarily shallow. I don't think it's particularly nice to judge someone based on their appearance though.

    I think the difference is when you start looking down on other people because of how they look or what their job/salary/background is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Dobbin wrote: »
    It's psychological to want to be with attractive people. It's something to do with the good genes theory- we want to mate with attractive people so that we have attractive babies so someone will want to mate with them and so our genes keep being passed on.... so it's not necessarily shallow. I don't think it's particularly nice to judge someone based on their appearance though.

    It's an interesting point. You are subconsciously more likely to trust someone who is physically attractive (as in objectively attractive, not that you specifically are attracted to). I remember reading about a study done which found that more attractive people were less likely to be found guilty in a court with a jury, and if found guilty, given a shorter sentence on average. And in case anyone's wondering, by attractive, they basically mean symmetrical face with features as close as possible to the average human (i.e. the same features they look for in a model).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know whats more disturbing, the fact that some people are so shallow or the fact that theres a girl out there that finds Jomery a good catch :chin:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lacy wrote: »
    I don't know whats more disturbing, the fact that some people are so shallow or the fact that theres a girl out there that finds Jomery a good catch :chin:
    Dunno, for all my flaws I'd say I'm quite a good catch - would never cheat on her (with my 1st 'gf' I wasn't sure abt her so said I'd consider other options but not with this one, I'm happy with her), ambitious and financially stable, and said in person I'm really nice and caring, my Bateman traits are pretty well concealed.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldn't want to be with any guy that wanted me solely for my looks and to make him look good. I'd want someone who is with me for who i am not how i look. Maybe girls notice that and that's your problem.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Jomery wrote: »
    said in person I'm really nice

    Nice is bland.

    You say you've got the money and the looks, hows about you start working on your personality, attitude and people skills.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    Nice is bland.

    You say you've got the money and the looks, hows about you start working on your personality, attitude and people skills.
    People skills are fine, in person - am very popular and rub the people that matter up the right way. Dale Carnegie's book on 'how to win friends and influence people' is golddust. Attitude you can't just change like that but fuckit I can live a good life this way.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    squeal wrote: »
    I wouldn't want to be with any guy that wanted me solely for my looks and to make him look good.
    Never said anything of the sort. I'd rather date my 7/10 Oxbridge-educated ambitious investment banker girl than a 9/10 stunner on the dole.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Never said anything of the sort. I'd rather date my 7/10 Oxbridge-educated ambitious investment banker girl than a 9/10 stunner on the dole.

    GET A LIFE.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Jomery wrote: »
    Attitude you can't just change like that but fuckit I can live a good life this way.

    I don't think you really believe that, else you wouldn't have started this thread.

    You treat people like cars and watches, as trophies and as something to boast about. There a whole world out there o relationships built on trust, honesty and loyalty and your going to miss out until one day when your old and lonely, you'll have some serious regrets.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote: »
    You treat people like cars and watches, as trophies and as something to boast about. There a whole world out there o relationships built on trust, honesty and loyalty and your going to miss out until one day when your old and lonely, you'll have some serious regrets.
    I started this thread mainly curious why people had a problem with apparantly 'shallow' behaviour. I still can't get past people saying they couldn't give a shit what other people think as long as they're happy, when personal reputation can be paramount for one's happiness. Anyway, my philosophy is that there's plenty of fish in the sea, millions in fact, and thus you can afford to be selective/picky. Whilst I have everything from my friends that other people have in terms of trust/honesty/loyalty, I also have the 'fringe benefits' - greater opportunities to make my life better from them, both careerist and social opportunities through their network/contacts. Similarly when there's so many girls out there I'd be happy to go out with why not go for someone where there's something extra - stunning, makes you look good, etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jomery wrote: »
    Never said anything of the sort. I'd rather date my 7/10 Oxbridge-educated ambitious investment banker girl than a 9/10 stunner on the dole.

    Again with the OXBRIDGE

    Is it Oxford or Cambridge - I can just imagine you there on the banks of the Thames at the Annual Race rooting for ... "Oxbridge" ... ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    People probably talk loads about you behind your back anyway your just to blind to realise. It's not hard to figure someone like you out which is probably why people tend to stay away unless they want something from you like those you work with.
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