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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have explained, many times.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sounds like a cop out to me.

    Fine, tell me which thread to look at where you did explain and ill have a gander.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sounds like a cop out to me.

    Fine, tell me which thread to look at where you did explain and ill have a gander.

    Its to do with defintions and types of freedom. To be honest, I've gone over it so many times with you in the past that if you're too lazy to pay attention, then I don't really care.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    No problem with what?
    I've no problem in believing that Capitalism, untainted by that cancerous political creed, socialism, works for the benfit of humanity.
    Spliffie wrote:
    The Indonesian PKI is a prime example of the US, UK and Aussie governments eliminating a progressive and forward-looking political movement through funding and assisting mass murder.
    The Indonesian PKI is a typical communist organisation, led by an elite political cadre, who use the masses for their own ends, ie the installation of a communist dictatorship, its a creed long discredited as morally-bankrupt, economically incompetent, and an enslaver of free people the world over. It need to be eliminated, its no more "forward-looking" than the rear-view mirror in my car.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So how is Chalfont St Peter?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    So how is Chalfont St Peter?
    :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know exactly what I mean.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its to do with defintions and types of freedom. To be honest, I've gone over it so many times with you in the past that if you're too lazy to pay attention, then I don't really care

    Yes yes - you believe the only type of freedom is state enabled freedom through mass (forced) wealth re-distribution.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    We managed for thousands of years. What makes you think that capitalism isn't just another stage of economic development?
    Capitalism is the controlling force, a little like gravity. If there was any opposition to this system how would the inevitable friction be managed?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Capitalism is the controlling force, a little like gravity.

    Controlling force of what to whom?

    Who is being forced by whom?

    What actions in the real world do you define by "capitalism"?

    Gravity is a very weak force that acts on physical objects, please give mathematical examples and real world incidents of "capitalism" and it's actions on physical objects.
    If there was any opposition to this system how would the inevitable friction be managed?

    "System" of what created and maintained by who and where?

    Again with the physical analogy. Please describe the physical, real world phenomena of "capitalism" and how it produces "friction". Also, what is managed by who?

    How is that what managed?

    Your sloganeering with no physical referent or sense. Words in a vacuum aren't much use. Let's have some evidence please that capitalism exists, for a start.

    If there is no oppostion and friction, how do you know to ask that question?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Capitalism is the controlling force that is created for the ruling elite. These ruling elite hold power with police, judiciary, prisons and the military. Any opposition to this system will force the capitalists to use these oppressive forces and crush any possible rebellion.

    Gravity maybe a week force however, it can either hold things together or tear them apart!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Capitalism is the controlling force that is created for the ruling elite.

    Who are the "ruling elite?" How does the controlling force operate?

    How was it created, where and when was it created and how do you know?

    Again, how exactly does "capitalism" manifest itself in the real world? What physical form does it take?

    Actually, how about answering some of the other original questions you missed.
    These ruling elite hold power with police, judiciary, prisons and the military.

    Power over what for who exactly? Which people are the "police?" How do they know what to do for the "ruling elite"? How do the "ruling elite" get them to obey?

    Who is the "judiciary" and what is it made up of?, same questions for the military. Same questions as for the police and how do you know all this?

    How do you communicate with a prison? Isn't it an inanimate object?
    Any opposition to this system will force the capitalists to use these oppressive forces and crush any possible rebellion.

    What system? - describe please. Who are the capitalists and how do you know what they think? How do you persuade a huge force like "the military" to do your bidding? Rebellion of who towards who? How do you now?
    Gravity maybe a week force however, it can either hold things together or tear them apart!

    Half right. It's not a force, it's the name of a force that has aparently been observed. I hope I get to continue this before someone else wanders in and joins in the mindless slogans.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes yes - you believe the only type of freedom is state enabled freedom through mass (forced) wealth re-distribution.

    You really haven't been reading my posts have you? Why do you bother posting here if you're not gonna bother reading posts?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have said it many times. The only way to acheive equality in our present system is through the use of state coercion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the rich and the greedy played fair and had a but a trace of humanity in them there would be no need for that would it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have said it many times. The only way to acheive equality in our present system is through the use of state coercion.

    The inequalities that there are exist only because of state coercion, nitwit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You have said it many times. The only way to acheive equality in our present system is through the use of state coercion.

    Quote me where I have said "the only type of freedom is state enabled freedom through mass (forced) wealth re-distribution.".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I didnt say it was a quote - it is just a summary of your position.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I didnt say it was a quote - it is just a summary of your position.

    Except it isn't, so quit lying about me thanks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I hope I get to continue this before someone else wanders in and joins in the mindless slogans.

    Ahhh, at least you realise the value of your own material :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ahhh, at least you realise the value of your own material :D

    Only relative to everyone elses. :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Except it isn't, so quit lying about me thanks.

    No, I clearly remember you saying that state intervention and coercion was necessary in the world we live in to provide some sort of enforced equality on citizens.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, I clearly remember you saying that state intervention and coercion was necessary in the world we live in to provide some sort of enforced equality on citizens.

    Thats not quite the same thing as what you first claimed is it? And is, in fact it is a total distortion of my views. Please revise or shut the fuck up. Thanks. :)
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Aladdin wrote:
    If the rich and the greedy played fair and had a but a trace of humanity in them there would be no need for that would it?

    But the fact they are "rich and greedy" is that. Honestly, they don't need all that money, so why do they keep it? Material Wealth Corrupts you, imho. And then if it is so good - why are so many rich celebrities on anti-depresants?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Monarchies are the epitome of capitalism and the BBC are a royalist institution! There was a time when the BBC would always play God Save the Queen at the end of the night.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Monarchies are the epitome of capitalism and the BBC are a royalist institution! There was a time when the BBC would always play God Save the Queen at the end of the night.

    :lol:

    Go to bed please!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Monarchies are the epitome of capitalism and the BBC are a royalist institution! There was a time when the BBC would always play God Save the Queen at the end of the night.

    You're an idiot.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You're an idiot.

    If that is the best you got then you need help!

    I post the truth but you cannot handle the truth.

    The British monarch appoints the board of directors at the British Brain Control. All the power in Britain swears allegiance to the monarch. It is her government, police, prisons and military but I bet you all think she is ‘just symbolic’ eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The British monarch appoints the board of directors at the British Brain Control. All the power in Britain swears allegiance to the monarch. It is her government, police, prisons and military but I bet you all think she is ‘just symbolic’ eh?

    Technically it's hers but in reality she has piss all power over anything and it really is just symbolic.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    Technically it's hers but in reality she has piss all power over anything and it really is just symbolic.

    Ffs think about what you have written, technicality is reality!

    Do not underestimate the power of symbolism. Every letter you read is a symbol. Mathematics and science are built on symbols, maps are a collection of symbols that guide the individual and if you want to drive a motor vehicle anywhere safely you need to understand the symbols of the Highway Code. Symbolism is how humanity communicates overtly and covertly. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! :shocking:

    Having said this there is also the added fact of the amount of wealth administered by the monarchy. It is the landlord of England, Wales and Cornwall, (and reputedly a huge area of the USA). If people care to research they will discover that Prince Charles is responsible for refusing a colossal amount of investment in Britain. He has rejected a great number of architectural projects, employment opportunities, leisure facilities and educational amenities simply because he didn’t like the idea.

    Britain invented capitalism and continues to rule from the top! You want change in Britain, then protest the monarchy and the aristocratic nepotism that supports it. Politicians are puppets on a stage to create the illusion of democracy, where in fact the true power precipitates from the financiers.
    :banghead:
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