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If you meant acid, then correct it's my experience and not everyones. But it is the effect acid gives for most people, they dont generally take it to learn about life or as some great teacher, it's just for the trippy psychedelic effects. Thoughts on acid are usually jumbled, meaningless (even though they might feel meaningful at the time), and not particularly helpful to your life. You're more likely to have no long term effects or negative ones than any positives from taking lsd.
But this is getting petty. I'm talking about common effects for people who use these drugs, not bringing up peoples experiences that might be a bit different. We all get different things from them and I'n not trying to suggest we're all exactly the same.
Outlandish in what way, they are both psychedelics but the effects are very different. I'm sorry, maybe if you explain what you gain from taking LSD your argument might take this somewhere.
As it is you've not provided anything to this discussion except saying you think LSD and shrooms are the same, but you haven't elaborated on that in any way.
People don't kill themselves because they're having a bad trip, you're misinterpreting what's been said.
Did I ever suggest you denied bad trips are possible?
Again, you're making false statements and presenting them as fact.
You're lambasting me for this post -
All i'm asking is you back up your claims i'm talking bullshit, which clearly you aren't able to do.
You say things but dont give any explenation at all, then accuse me of all the things you're doing yourself! I've backed up most things I've said here by explaining my opinions. You cant seem to do this basic thing yet call my posts bullshit?
Is something wrong with you? For your own good dont take any more LSD.
I didn't say they are the same for a start.
What do you want me to do, babble on about religious experiences and mind expansion? If you don't believe LSD has any spiritial/intellectual use, I suggest you look up trip reports and read some drugs literature on the subject (there's plenty of it...Timothy Leary et al).
Finally, an explenation for something you've written. See how easy that was?
I wasn't aware of any spiritual or intellectual use with acid. I'll read up on it.
What specifically do you want me to elaborate on?
www.magusbooks.com
Search for Timothy Leary & LSD.
Welcome to discussion boards.
You were making extremely dubious statements, presenting them as fact and then accusing me of doing the exact same thing by posting the common perception lsd & magic mushies have similar effects.
This is all going round in circles anyway.
I don't know why you think they're worlds apart as drugs, perhaps you had bunk acid or just weren't in the correct mental state for full appreciation. I've had trips which have been undistinguished and confusing on both mushrooms and lsd, and likewise had amazing trips on both.
But thats not the reason I'm against it, I think they leave long term after effects. Not for everyone, but something feels different in me ever since taking them in a bad way. I've never had that with shrooms, the day after you feel fine, even better than you did before with a normal dose.
It's taught me about myself as a person
Relationships with my family
Being able to overcome things in my life I thought I couldn't
Where my life should be heading and things I want to achieve
Things I've done in the past that I never gave enough thought
My outlook on life as a whole
There are more, life is complicated so it's not very practical to write them all as a list.
But I think you know all this already, you're just trying to be funny.
It goes without saying that taking psychedelics if you are predisposed to mental illness or depressed or otherwise in a negative frame of mind is a very bad idea. That goes for all drugs, but particularly cannabis and psychedelics.
Both LSD and psilocybin can have the positive and negative effects described in this thread, depending on your state of mind, your environment, the dose and so on. IMO you two are arguing about your personal preferences, which is fine, just try not to get personal.
Good advice, maybe you should follow it.
There are various recipes for consuming cannabis in 'food' for all over the Internet and this is where Google is your friend.
As for myself, I use a pipe for the leaf and chew the stalks
Why do you ask that? I'm talking about something I'm personally interested in.
Seems to be alot of people here who just want to prove me wrong about something or make themselves look more clued up than I am without actually contributing to the discussion. Thats why this turned petty. I've tried not to get personal and I've answered everything asked that I can.
If you want to keep making an issue of risks then go ahead, I've said there are some and said they're extremely low, which is true.
Psychedelics aren't risky in the sense that heroin, crack, speed, alcohol etc are risky, but they are risky in another way - use can lead to depression, anxiety, paranoia, HPPD etc. Yes, the likelihood is that most people won't experience any ill effects, but please don't make out that the risks are "extremely low" - they're not. It very much depends on the individual.
You can argue that for every drug really, so its legal status really makes no difference.
Mushrooms like any hallucinogen come with risks, they are similar in profile to those of LSD, Salvia or mescaline. It is the person rather than the drug which defines the risk with hallucinogens.
This risk argument is going nowhere. The way you take risks into account is a personal thing in itself. You can either make an issue of them and worry about whats feasably possible to happen to you when you do things in life even if it's not very likely, or you can accept that we're constantly at risk from things and get on with it.
I think this argument is going in circles because you are all taking a more extreme position - hallocinogen use is risky in those who are not emotionally or mentally stable, (which could be most of us at some point) because as I understand it they have a fairly profound effect on the psyche. Their use shouldn't be taken lightly, and I imagine the major concern of the powers that be was that if they were freely available they wouldn't be treated with the respect they deserve.
Am I arguing for them to be banned?
I've said a number of times risks are a possibility with shrooms, I'm not sure what else you expect me to say. I've been fair in dealing with facts as we know them, but people still want to go on about them. I understand you want to warn people of the risks here because otherwise it might look irresponsible, but in doing so you're also exagerrating them by so many of you only being negative.
Yes at first I made an off hand remark about them being no risk to anybody, I thought most people here knew about the feelings many people have towards the ban and the way it was handled and wouldn't take it so literally. When I realized it was taken literally I said there were risks and I dont think I'm out of line in saying the risks are extremely low. The kind of risks related to shrooms would be mental harm for certain people under certain circumstances. Saying "hallocinogen use is risky in those who are not emotionally or mentally stable, (which could be most of us at some point)" implies the danger is greater than it actually is, even if it wasn't meant that way. If you're in an emotional state or theres alot of negativity in your life when you take them chances are you'll just have a bad trip and not take them again under those circumstances. If you're mentally unstable theres every chance a shroom trip wont have lasting damage when it ends and also a chance it will.
"My noble friend said at Second Reading that magic mushrooms could have damaging, hallucinatory effects equivalent to those of LSD. That is certainly not my clinical experience. LSD can cause alarming hallucinations that may have lasting effects. But I have never met anyone who has come to any harm from the use of magic mushrooms."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds05/text/50406-28.htm
You seem to have a bit of an immature attitude to drugs - psychedelics are not play things, they are serious business. Yes, they can be wonderfully life enhancing but they are not without some quite serious risks.
Thanks for telling me yet again there are risks involved, even though we clearly established that a few pages ago. The risk is low, I've even gone into detail about how low, so unless you have a good explenation for why you keep trying to make me look wrong about something, then lets hear it. As it is you're just saying the same thing over and over again.