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Radical Christian group to target abortion clinics

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IMO, yes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    IMO, yes.
    Why?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    IMO, yes.

    :lol: it's all about opinions isn't it...there is no definitive answer to most things...i'll respect others opinions as long as they can back it up with valid points and i hope vice versa to anyone else.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because women should have the option available to them if needed.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Because women should have the option available to them if needed.

    but you can just as easily say a baby has the right to live even if it is just a few cells or whatever....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    but you can just as easily say a baby has the right to live even if it is just a few cells or whatever....

    No, because until it can live indepentantly of the womb, it is not a human being in its own right. It is part of the mother's body.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    No, because until it can live indepentantly of the womb, it is not a human being in its own right. It is part of the mother's body.

    can you prove it's not a living organism though? alot of disabled people can't live independently outside the womb...forever in life...no one says we should kill them
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry, I can't make head nor tail of that. Disabled people living inside the womb? :confused: Are you on drugs?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not again down that road please...

    An embryo/fotus is not a person or a human being capable of independent life- not until it reaches certain age though.

    Any comparisons against disabled people/living beings/etc are thus wrong.

    Ultimately it's woman's choice to make. That's why it is wrong for others to say she shouldn't or mustn't have an abortion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes but we are all perfectly happy to advise/tell people what is wrong the rest of the time what is differnet in this situation?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Sorry, I can't make head nor tail of that. Disabled people living inside the womb? :confused: Are you on drugs?

    i didn't say that...you were talking about living independently outside of the womb...yes a feotus can't do that but so can't alot of people who are born disabled.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Like?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Like?

    i have absolutely no idea of medicine or names of conditions but you know how some people are born with brain conditions that make them totally dependent on others for survival...it's still life...i don't know if i'm going far with this arguement because i am pro-choice, i was just trying to start a debate about something but i know it's futile so it's better to just leave it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Because women should have the option available to them if needed.
    But that's only your opinion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    No, because until it can live indepentantly of the womb, it is not a human being in its own right. It is part of the mother's body.
    The gestation at which a fetus is considered viable was only relatively reduced from 28 weeks to 24 weeks, and there are calls for it to be 20 weeks (i.e. the latest gestation at which abortion is allowed for "social" reasons).

    At what point does a fetus become "human"?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    but you can just as easily say a baby has the right to live even if it is just a few cells or whatever....

    When its a few cells its not a baby.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BeckyBoo wrote:
    When its a few cells its not a baby.
    How many cells make a baby?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Slight change of subject but I've been told the film 'Vera Drake' is worth watching to get a good understanding of the abortion debate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    How many cells make a baby?

    see thats the only thing that slightly worries me about abortion...how can you really tell if it's not a baby...i think if women want an abortion they should have one as soon as possible and not wait whatever amount of weeks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    How many cells make a baby?

    Pass I aint a doctor.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    i think if women want an abortion they should have one as soon as possible and not wait whatever amount of weeks.

    I agree with you, sometimes its not as simple as that though.

    Sorry but I aint read the full thread so I dont know what was said earlier on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BeckyBoo wrote:
    I agree with you, sometimes its not as simple as that though.

    yeh i suposse, decinding whether to have one or whatnot...are there many groups or counsellors who specilise in helping pregnant women deciding whats the best thing to do...and if there isn't why isn't there more.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    But that's only your opinion.

    Yes it is. But I happen to believe its right. Women should have control over their own bodies. Do you think otherwise?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kentish wrote:
    The gestation at which a fetus is considered viable was only relatively reduced from 28 weeks to 24 weeks, and there are calls for it to be 20 weeks (i.e. the latest gestation at which abortion is allowed for "social" reasons).

    Yes. And?
    Kentish wrote:
    At what point does a fetus become "human"?

    At the point where it can survive independantly of the mother.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    At the point where it can survive independantly of the mother.

    which is... :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Women should have control over their own bodies.

    But a fetus is a seperate body, and it can survive from very early on if it is given help through modern medecine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Yes it is. But I happen to believe its right. Women should have control over their own bodies. Do you think otherwise?
    No, but I think people having opposite opinions from my own or not wrong for having those opinions, whether I disagree with them or not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    which is... :confused:
    ...changing all the time, and therefore not an absolute number and therefore the "embryo is only a bunch of cells" argument is weak.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    which is... :confused:

    I dunno, I'm not an expert on current medical science.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Matadore wrote:
    But a fetus is a seperate body, and it can survive from very early on if it is given help through modern medecine.

    No, its not a separate body until it can survive indpendently.
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