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Another meaningless statement. We are part of nature you fool. This natural/human division is false and meaningless. We are part of nature, there is no "nature" to get back to.
A post that is so full of lies, half truths and misinformation that I don't really know where to start. Suffice to say that most experienced sabs actually know a hell of a lot about fox hunting and its history. The violence that sabs might dish out is only in response to the violence from the hunts. The history of fox hunting has nothing to do with population control and everything to do with the the aristicracy and Royalty. Studies show that fox hunting has very little effect on population control. If it was about population control, why do "plumbers, brickies, secretaries, stone masons and various other everyday normal working class people" go hunting? All I want is a bit of honesty - you go hunting for the thrill of the chase and as an excuse to socialise and gallop around the countryside. I know it and you know it, so just admit it will you?
The Countryside Alliance do not defend working class interests. They stand for big business and landowners. They don't give a fuck about post offices or ordinary people.
Don't shift the blame of sab violence onto the hunt community. Both sides will always have those that wish for violence. Your comment about "sabs dish out violence because the hunts use it first" is bollocks. There are some sabs who would use violence as a means to an end instead of the normal peaceful demonstrations. The same as there are some hunt people who are the same. So don't try and pass the buck eh, just be a good boy and admit it.
I wasn't aware that the majority of my post was about population control. I was merely trying to say that the people who seem to be shouting the loudest are the people who have never ventured into a rural community, spoken to the real people involved e.g farriers, huntstaff, farmers etc. and got their side of things. I see both sides as i've grown up with the hunt, but also have friends who don't agree with it.
Unlike you i respect that people have freedom of speech and if people don't agree then i respect their wishes and don't ram it down their throats.
Who on earth do you think you are to tell me i'm a liar just because my facts aren't the same as the ones in the "sab manual".
I don't condone it on either side. If this has happened in the past then i'll not condone the people that did it on either side so stop trying to make out that in some way i was to blame for the sickening violence used by both sides. I'm not a football hooligan, i don't believe in human on human violence for whatever cause.
You tell me to stop my lies, who are you to tell me this. I'm allowed my opinion as are you. Just because i don't believe some of your facts and actually debate them from a position of someone involved you tell me i'm a liar? Go back to your inner sanctum of hate blagsta and just realise that freedom of speech was won a long time ago and that your facts are not always right.
"Regrettably, the vast majority of poultry these days are kept in battery cages or broiler sheds and are therefore not at risk from fox attacks. Free-range poultry are rarely taken by foxes in daylight and therefore losses will be small, provided that the birds are securely housed at dusk. In most cases where foxes kill a large number of birds, it is because the farmer has failed to shut the hen house door or the housing is inadequate - in other words poor husbandry. Foxes are accused of 'killing for fun' because they may flee leaving many dead birds behind. This is known to biologists as 'surplus killing'. In the unnatural surroundings of a chicken-run the fox's natural killing instinct is continually triggered by prey which are prevented from scattering as they would in the wild. In fact, it has been shown that when a fox gets into a chicken coop the commotion arouses the farmer and his dogs, lights go on, doors open and the fox flees.
However it is known that in an undisturbed situation, the fox will make many trips to carry off the dead birds, and bury them for future use when food may be scarce. Such caching of food is instinctive for foxes and has even been observed in young orphaned cubs."
http://www.league.uk.com/cruel_sports/british_wildlife/fox/is_the_fox_a_pest.htm
In short, more lies and myths about foxes spread by farmers and the pro-hunting lot.
*yawn*
I don't really give much of a fuck about fox hunting these days, I just wish you lot could be honest occasionally.
The Countryside Alliance and the farmers who make such claims on the other hand can present little or no evidence whatsoever to support them. In fact the immense majority of them can be easily dismissed as inaccurate or plain lies.
If the law banned halal meat for the unecessary suffering created by the methods of killing the animal, do you think muslims would stop eating halal meat?
No, of corse not because this is part of their culture.
Erm, isn't eating halal meat a religious proscription - like say kosher food for jewish people?
Which part of the bible says though shall run after little foxes with expensive horses and dogs, till the leetle fox is ripped to shreds?
And, werm is it OT or NT?
We should be told.....
they own some land and machinery ...but they are mostly very working class ...who'd a thunk that the workers may one day have owned the means of production aye?
and be fighting tooth and nail to keep the small shop open ...even the pub ...and have to fight to get some kind of public transport for the elderly and the children ...
lincolnshire for example ...is another farming world far removed from north wales ...lincolnshire is mainly agro bizz and helicopters flying the boss from farm to farm.
sorry to disapoint you but ...n. wales is more akin to the waltons.
and the fucking waltons are fighting to keep their jobs and their lifestyles.
They stink like a ferret!
It's a political tool is all.