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The little tracker said "Ken's regret" when it crossed to the conference- oh, how that qwuickly disappeared.
He might be a scumbag with dubious politics and morals, but for the way he slated the Mail group was a joy to watch.
However, what a hypocritical cunt, how can he stand there and bleat on about how awful the Mail has been over the last 100 odd years when he used to work for them himself and was quite happy to be paid for them and help them sell the paper!!!!!!!!!! pure madness
"To the Daily Mail group I say that no-one in Britain is less qualified than they to complain about anti-semitism. Their papers were not, as some have reported, guilty of “a brief flirtation” with Adolf Hitler in the l930s. In truth these papers were the leading advocates of anti-semitism in Britain for half a century.
Beginning a hundred years ago with their campaign to stop Jewish refugees fleeing to Britain from Russia they carried on right the way through the rise of Hitler and even after the start of World War II still felt free to peddle the lie that Germany’s Jews had brought the holocaust upon themselves.
Whilst it is true the Mail group no longer smears Jews as bringing crime and disease to the UK it is only because they have moved on. After a decade of pandering to racism against our citizens of Black and Irish origin they have moved on and now describe asylum seekers and Muslims in similar terms. For the Mail group the victims may change but the intolerance, hatred and fear pervade every issue of the papers."
No justification for their long association with racism and nazism then. No denial that they are racist, intolerant, hatred-filled organisation.
I wonder why they have nothing to say on the subject... :rolleyes:
The point Ken has been trying to make all along, from the moment he said what he said, is that if the journo is Jewish and takes great offence at any reference to the nazis, what the fuck is he doing working for the most racist, bigoted, prejudiced and for many years Nazi supporting newspaper group in the whole of Britain if not Europe?
Point no. 2: I don't think you can really work many jobs in the media ethically in my opinion.
And, to be honest, I have to agree with her. The Mail, by screaming about anti-semitism when it quite blatantly isn't, is actually making the Jews look bad. Which, given their history, is probably exactly what they are wanting to do.
Interesting, though, how they scream about "PC gone maaaaaad" at every opprtunity, but are quite silent about this over-reaction. It's just very strange how their morals (if you call them that) go so quickly.
Yes a lot of Jews did die in concentration camps. 6 million.
The Nazis as you say did target other groups too. I believe at least 500,000 gypsies were killed alongside Jews, millions of Poles many of whom were not Jewish and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 homosexuals. As well as the disabled who were also targetted by the Nazi euthanasia programme. I don't know how many but Jehovah’s Witnesses were another group the Nazis persecuted.
I don’t know if there would have been as much uproar had the reporter been a gypsy. I wouldn’t like to say.
Whatever.
The Jewish community has absolutely nothing to apologise for. First of all not everybody in the Jewish community supports Israel. The Jewish community in Britain is also not responsible for wrongdoings carried out in Israel. Blaming British Jews for the faults of Israeli Jews is as racist as blaming British blacks for the severe wrongdoings of Mugabe’s regime in Zimbabwe. It's plain stupid. It's like blaming British Muslims for the evil terrorist actions carried out by other extremist Muslims.
Anyway you say the Jewish community must apologize - has the Muslim community apologized for its treatment of the thousands murdered on 9/11? Or for the innocent people blown up in suicide bombs? No. And it has no obligation to because the Muslim community in Britain is not responsible for those things, as the Jewish community is not responsible for supposed wrongdoings in Israel.
Idiot.
Did wonder about that after the Princess Michael story, does seem a tad silly when it can easily lead to genuine anti-semitism being ignored if people were crying wolf.
Who would want that?
Absolutely agree, indeed the whole idea of 'communities' should be put to bed, imo.
From where?
I know figures vary a lot. I got mine from here
Either way the figures don't make a difference. 250,000 or 10,000 the figure is horrible, evil and such an awful waste.
I guess a lot less homosexuals died than Jews because many homosexuals managed to hide their sexuality. Whereas not many Jews managed to hide their Jewishness.
I guess...I think it's unavoidable though as currently minorities feel the need to be part of a community. I am always sort of puzzled by the gay community, esp being gay..I mean gay people apart from their sexuality and being in a minority they may well have no more in common with each other than straight people? Although I suppose its the same for all the other 'communities' in many ways. I guess it's society's failings maybe that people feel the need to stay part of a community.
shut up this is nothing to do with this....
and anyone please dont comapre this to the issue at hand
Congratulations. You win this weeks "Moronic Post" award.
What has the UK Jewish Community ever done to the Palestinians?
And somehow, the Board of Deputies thinks an editorial team dressing up as members of the 3rd Reich is 'less important' than Livingstone being forced to apologise to a reporter.....
The stench of hypocrisy .....
- producing a partial and distorted defence of that's clerics views;
- characterising celebrated human rights campaigner (and supporter of an independent Palestine), Peter Tatchell as a dupe of a Mossad plot;
- demuring when a Saudi journalist asked him a question about the jews who the journalist believes control the media, and mentioning the jewish wife of a disgraced press tycoon as if it were an example of that conspiracy at work.
What is more important, being an arch-apologist Livingstone stooge, or condemning a politician who was voted for and is paid by londoners?
How does what associated execs did 13 years excuse Livingstones comments to a jewish journalist now? Maybe Mayor Livingstone was annoyed that he wasn't paid enough as a food critic for the standard.
Hypocrisy indeed.
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/02/20/outrage_responds_to_livingstones_dodgy_dossier.php
Fuck off back under the stone you crawled out of.
For every one elses benefit, the name "Madge Noon" is one that I use on another website, and which this coward/stalker is using to hide behind.
:rolleyes:
so how about waiting for someone to attack you rather than engaging in a premtive fuck off?
Indeed, "judging by actions"
The action was to sign up, using a handle I use elsewhere, and in post 1 to refer directly to one of my posts - which, by the by, happens to be on a thread discussing a concerted campaign against Ken Livingstone by a group of people whose intention appears to be to shut down dialogue.
The poster in particular starts off by making explicit the links between Livingstone and Al-Qaradawi. Al- Qaradawi being someone who was attacked on the basis of "evidence" from MEMRI - a propaganda outfit notorious for using out of context quotes for a specific political agenda.
Bearing in mind that I have had people building up a dossier of personal information on me, and following me around websites posting up information including my home address and full name, and that this person has specifically referenced to the site where those problems began, the action of taking a user name I adopted there and bringing it here was intended to cause personal discomfort.
I did not follow anyone here - this person however appears to have followed me here. And, if they want to engage in a discussion with me, their actions make it an unappealing prospect.
I am singularly unimpressed by the devious methods that posters such as this will use to threaten, intimidate and harrass people whose views are not in accordance with their own.
If the poster desires a discussion on the matters raised in the post, I suggest that they refrain from making it personal, and reregister with a name that isn't directly linked to me.
I would then be happy to discuss at great length the disinformation campaign that has raged around Al-Qaradawi's appearance at City Hall. And the stench of hypocrisy of defending the Daily mails editorial staff dressing up as members of the Third Reich.
Get over yourself. You don't have a copyright on my username.
I would never post anyones full name and address on a website, that is clearly not on. I would never set up a blog, whose main aim was to attack a moderator who had banned me from a discussion board. Now thats harassment.
Don't pretend to be the hard done by victim, ftp. It's sickeningly hypocritical.
Back to Mayor Livingstone however:
I don't know why you started talking about MEMRI. The link I provided used documents from islamonline.net, Qaradawi's website, his own propaganda outfit. Visit the link I provided.
Why defend this clerical fascist? Why won't Livingstone apologise?
if so, why?
Ah, diddums, does your nappy need changing?
Bit of an overreaction...
But, so far, this person has done nothing wrong. If they do then the mods will react. You should give them the benefit of doubt. Innocent until proven otherwise...
And your reaction was considered and appropriate?
I understand your concern Peeps, but give the user a chance. If they fuck up then I think we would all pounce. No-one like a troll.
I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with FTP that this comes close to stalking.
Read post 2 by "Madge" and see if you think that all the information contained in it is relevant to a thread about Livingstone and anti-semitism.....
Whilst it is alleged that imitation is the highest form of flattery, following someone around the net, taking on a username they use, and imparting information that is not relevant to any of my actions of this site suggests a somewhat less benign motive .......
Now, I'm sure some of you would love to know what dirt "Madge" has to dish, but for one minute put yourself in the position where someone takes a name you use elsewhere, and starts dishing out their version of a story whilst basking in anonymity.
You'd erm feel flattered?
There are users on this site who are aware of some of the stuff that Madge wants you to know. They have left well alone, because its irrelevant to what happens here...........
This isn't "politics and debate", its a personalised attack and its gone far enough already.
Agreed, tbh, its pretty obvious of his/her agenda from the two posts alone.