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The whole ‘chosen people’ thing is something which has caused a lot of misunderstanding and fuelled a lot of hatred. That writer because of his background will know damn well that there is no mainstream attitude that Jews are superior in the Jewish community. It’s a misconception and it’s shameful that he’s playing on it.
To quote from here the idea is explained well..(Just tapped it in on google, feel it explains it well. Don't know much about the source)
"The Jews are often referred to as God's chosen people. This does not mean that they are in any way to be considered superior to other groups. Biblical verses such as Exodus 19:5 simply imply that God has selected Israel to receive and study the Torah, to worship God only, to rest on the Sabbath, and to celebrate the festivals. Jews were not chosen to be better than others; they were simply selected to receive more difficult responsibilities, and more onerous punishment if they fail."
Gilad Atzmon, as a Jewish person, is allowed to write stuff that other people couldn't write, according to Disillusioned. Guess what Gilad would have to say about that........
According to the Delusional one, its Gilad making the "deliberate misrepresentations", which interestingly enough is exactly what Gilad is accusing the Board of Deputies of. Gilad backs up his argument. The Delusional one doesn't.
As always, there are competing narratives.
Why is it that many Israelis have the same narrative as the Palestinians, whilst a zionist Palestinian is a rarity?
That is a great point to think about, I've met many of the Israelis like that but never a zionist Palestinian. Never really thought of it that way. :thumb:
They do exist
Saw an interview with one last time I was in Israel. What he explained though was that in Israel people can freely dish out their opinions whilst it's not accepted and punished in the Palestinian communities.
Either way, regarding the "Chosen People" what we were always told was that being chosen to do something is not always idea. Like the elder kid allowed to go out til 10 pm at night, but then again has to do the dishes.
I know they exist - but they're rare - and they can never be Jews in a Jewish state..... can they?
I have a slightly different perception to you about the "freedom of speech" issue in Israel.
Palestinians are very keen for Internationals to go to the West Bank and find out for themselves.
Israel tends to regard that as a deportable offence.......
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Thats never happened in Israel, and it always happen in Palestine?
Where did I say always?
It has happened though.
Indeed.
Palestinians do unspeakable things and Israelis don't.
Right?
No. And I'd appericiate if you didn't constantly try to stuff words into my mouth (writing)
So, the relevance of being dragged behind cars was what exactly?
I suspect it was a racist knee-jerk reaction.
No, it was a parallel to what has happened with Palestinians uttering their pro-Israeli beliefs.
Source please
Can't provide one. I did read it though.
Your problem if you don't believe me.
Its not the best standard of evidence I've ever come across to be honest.
And BTW, you do understand that collaborators are not the same as zionists, don't you?
:no:
Suddenly, this whole thing reminds me of Star Trek and the occupation of Bajor by the Cardassians. You should look it up some time :yes:. Eventually the Federation forced the Cardassians off, only to have the Cardassians get the biggest baddest empire in the whole universe (after the borg of course - they're called the dominion) to come and wage war on the Federation. So the Federation then put a minefield around the wormhole to stop them getting in, but that got destroyed, then captain (well, commander, but he gets promoted somewhere along the line Benjamin Sisko comes along and gets some cool Gods who live in the wormhole to get rid of the invasion fleet.
Then the Klingons come and clear up the rest of the Cardassians (almost starting a new war of aggression) and in the end peace is kind of restored, with only a couple of thousand ships destroyed, each one holding between 50ish to a couple of hundred men and women.
Don't know why it reminded me of that, but it was your use of the word 'collaborator' - Bajorans who helped the Cardassians during the dark occupation etc. Btw, this isn't a dig, although I know it looks like that, it's actually what happened in star trek deep space nine - look up the dominion war sometime. Just reminded me of it, that's all
Freedom to soeak offensive rubbish is the most important freedom of all, and it should not be qualified by demands to apologise for exercising it.
And I quite agree.
[Source: Lead article, New Statesman]
Suddenly bodies being dragged is quite topical. Did the Israeli state not say that they were ending assassinations?
Al Ahram 17/2
I don't understand why you brought dragged bodies into this.....
:no:
A bit of consistency would be nice.
And there are other newspapers who I believe guilty of flirtation with Nazism and Hitler eg the Times.
The last person who we heard of using the same metaphor in public life was Berlusconi.
Livingstone is not at Speakers' Corner - he is the Mayor of London.
And we are told that he is going to make an apology. What sort of apology is it that is dragged out of someone. We all have to bite our teeth sometime and have to say that we are sorry if we hurt them - an apology never hurt anyone.
Ken: I will not say sorry
Well, whether you agree with him or not, at least he has some principle and will do what he believes is right, rather than making a false apology.
And for the record, he could perhaps shown regret to any unintentional offence caused to Jewish groups, but he should NOT say sorry to the journo concerned. Fuck him and fuck Associated Newspapers.
About time a politician finally had the balls to stand up to the untouchable, God-like press in this country.
We love you Kenny, we do!
Oh Kenny we love you!
yup :thumb: thats why i voted for the guy, instead of the scum that works for jarvis, oh i mean the tory party! :rolleyes:
and he did say he didnt mean to offend jewish community, just the journalist
and his extra comments about how racist the mail are, is brilliant
:thumb:
How do you think he went too far?
As he pointed out, the Jewish Chronicle was happy to print a letter calling the Roses Kapos.....
I've heard the term "little Hitler" bandied about quite a lot in this country.
Between an employee of a racist right wing anti-asylum seeker news corporation and a concentration camp guard?
I guess its all a matter of opinion then.
I can see clear parallels.