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Carrying on racial debate

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid
    if im claiming that they might be immigrants then you are claiming that they might not be, we therefore are either both laying claim as to knowing their status or we're not. you keep saying that you're not claiming anything but then you're saying that they might not be immigrants...u kinda have to decide what we're both doing here

    No, I'm saying that I don't know.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid
    agree to disagree blagsta?

    you are joking arent you ? He is always right and has to have the last say.
    You will get used to it ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my last word is...halibut.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    you are joking arent you ? He is always right and has to have the last say.
    You will get used to it ;)

    :eek2: :( lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid
    why is that 'unfortunate'? im not saying that it isnt i just want to understand why you think it is.

    because its like saying all football supporters are hooligans
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid
    an immigrant can,however, walk into the brent council office, claim asylum and get a 4 bedroom house.

    yeah right - or rather: complete bollocks

    and anyway, they come with nothing, your parents already have a house
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    believe me its not uncommon from the dicky bow wearing specialists.

    I don't know why this made me laugh, but in my hospital anyone who wears a bow tie just gets smirked at
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yesterday I was chatting with Iranian friends, a young couple, who have have just managed to get out of Iran and into a neighbouring country. Because they are not married under Islamic law and because they do not with to practice muslin beliefs they have had to flee. they already tried once and made it to Turkey. Unfortunatley Turkish police arrested them and sent them back. they have been beaten, lashed and tortured on several occasions. On one occasion she was beaten so hard she miscarried. he was lashed so violently his head was smashed against the wall, his eye catching on a nail. he is now blind in one eye, and has very limited vision in the other. My mum has just spent the weekend with them and they are settling, but are still emotionally, physically and psychologically wreaked.

    How do you know the people "hanging out on street corners", the person who is claiming asylum has not had similar experiences. if you think they haven't then why not spend a day in one of the health centres that caters for refugees, asylum seekers

    try here http://www.torturecare.org.uk/about0.htm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    and yet when we invaded Iraq in an attempt to establish a democracy and better humane conditions for its people, you liberals were against it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Because we arent there to establish "democracy". This magnanimous claim has been heard in past as well when justification for overthrowing governments was needed by Washington. In every case the result was either a dictatorship or a puppet regime all too ready to sell out its people and national interests to US corporate hegemony.

    No, the gullible ones are those who think we can "install" democracy by the gun when democracy itself to be valid and lasting must arise from the desire and self determination of a nation itself according to their perceptions of society, not that of foreign invaders. Iraq has a long history of repudiating foreign control and this time around wont be any different in the long run.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There has been a lot of talk on this thred about immigrants 'milking the system' claiming benefits, getting housing etc. And all of the blame for this was on the immigrants themselves.

    Is the government not at fault here, if people are de-frauding the system then surely the government has a part to play in this?

    Illegal immigrants should get nothing, and if they get anything then it is at least partly the system at fault.

    How easy it is to blame the 'different' people standing on the corner rather than actualy do anything about it.

    For all of those who are unhappy with the asylum system, have you written to your MP? I thought not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Isn't it funny how those who claim to be really upset and angry about immigrants "living off the State" and "milking our welfare system" seldom have a single word to say about white, British unemployed people doing just the same?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thats totaly different, you Marxist!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by giantno1
    and yet when we invaded Iraq in an attempt to establish a democracy and better humane conditions for its people, you liberals were against it.
    i can't believe people still swallow this crap! how can democracy be forced upon a people?
    what hgappens when they vote for militant islam if thats what they want? or communist? or the batth party? we'll have to kill a whole bunch of them all over again.
    what about democraticaly elected governments around the world that the yanks have overthrown becuase they didn't agree with the peoples choice and then installed their very own dictator?
    well ...please answer me giant toe.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid
    are we supposed to be glad that there are people working illegally?

    Well unless you woulkd rether pay more for certian things then, yes.

    Immigrants beneift us all

    BE GRATEFUL..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by hybrid


    so because i think the british should get jobs before immigrants im naive? i have already explained how and why they should.if you are poor you will do anything for money.even a shite job with low pay. therefore a poor brit should get the job before an immigrant.

    Then why do you think companies employ illegal immigrnats, risking being shut down if found out?

    There must be some reason don't you think?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Toadborg
    Then why do you think companies employ illegal immigrnats, risking being shut down if found out?

    There must be some reason don't you think?
    the big companies take none of the risk. the pizza factory i cited earlier do the same as the famous baked been people and fish finger company ...they use agencies. the agency transports the workers in and out. the big guy pays the agency.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just to join in..

    My boyfriend is Kurdish. He has been here for over 3 years now, and has been granted exceptional leave to remain. A lot of his friends have not, and they are classed as "asylum seekers". Every single one of them works. This is not illegal, after 6 months, asylum seekers are allowed to work. Every one of them apart from one who speaks very good English, works in factories.

    My b/f works 7 days a week, shift work, for a tiny bit more than minimum wage.

    Asylum seekers do not get handed 4 bedroomed houses. I know quite a few who live in hostel accomodation, along with British people classed as homeless. Others live in shared houses similar to student accommodation.

    There are people who come here who are not in fear of their lives, absolutely. Most of them come from crap countries like Albania where there are no opportunities and they just want to make money. I don't have a big problem with them coming here and working for shit money, most of them will have their cases rejected and be deported anyway.

    The media like to focus on any wrong doing done by non British people, and this makes life really hard for asylum seekers. Do you think life is easy for them? There is so much prejudice facing them, every day, I have seen it first hand. Do you think it is an easy option to leave your family and home, smuggle into a country, where you don't speak the language and are treated with suspision all the time?

    The British government could go a long way to help the situation by investing in the countries where asylum seekers come from.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by PussyKatty
    Just to join in..

    My boyfriend is Kurdish. He has been here for over 3 years now, and has been granted exceptional leave to remain. A lot of his friends have not, and they are classed as "asylum seekers". Every single one of them works. This is not illegal, after 6 months, asylum seekers are allowed to work. Every one of them apart from one who speaks very good English, works in factories.

    My b/f works 7 days a week, shift work, for a tiny bit more than minimum wage.

    Asylum seekers do not get handed 4 bedroomed houses. I know quite a few who live in hostel accomodation, along with British people classed as homeless. Others live in shared houses similar to student accommodation.

    There are people who come here who are not in fear of their lives, absolutely. Most of them come from crap countries like Albania where there are no opportunities and they just want to make money. I don't have a big problem with them coming here and working for shit money, most of them will have their cases rejected and be deported anyway.

    The media like to focus on any wrong doing done by non British people, and this makes life really hard for asylum seekers. Do you think life is easy for them? There is so much prejudice facing them, every day, I have seen it first hand. Do you think it is an easy option to leave your family and home, smuggle into a country, where you don't speak the language and are treated with suspision all the time?

    The British government could go a long way to help the situation by investing in the countries where asylum seekers come from.
    Hear, hear!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by giantno1
    and yet when we invaded Iraq in an attempt to establish a democracy and better humane conditions for its people, you liberals were against it.

    Because they are not the reasons we invaded Iraq. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The British government could go a long way to help the situation by investing in the countries where asylum seekers come from.

    I don't think so, UK taxpayers' money spent should be in the UK, many parts up North going to the dogs.
    Asylum seekers do not get handed 4 bedroomed houses.

    Care to back up that assertion, a bit difficult admittedly as Councils are very closet about their dealings with asylum seekers.

    It's going to be hard for UK to avoid immigration with lowish birth-rates but closing the asylum bolt-hole makes much sense

    As for those Iranians, why should UK pick up tab for middle-eastern cruelty? Greece, e. Europe...nah, ingland, ees good, money for nothing
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    As for those Iranians, why should UK pick up tab for middle-eastern cruelty? Greece, e. Europe...nah, ingland, ees good, money for nothing

    actually they are nowhere near UK, and the only person in the UK picking up the tab is me using my broadband connection (trying to sort out eye surgury so he can have his retina re-attached and have lense-surgury so he can see again(Which I and my family will probably pay for)) and paying for my flights out there to visit him.

    and thank you PussyKatty for your post - it echo the experiences of many

    solo, can you back up that houses are given out as you first asserted?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by PussyKatty
    The British government could go a long way to help the situation by investing in the countries where asylum seekers come from.

    Yeh well if it cuts down the numbers of Albanian prostitute and drug dealers coming to the UK (which it wont), then I'm all for it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by giantno1
    Yeh well if it cuts down the numbers of Albanian prostitute and drug dealers coming to the UK (which it wont), then I'm all for it.

    I don't know for sure but I bet many people who flee their country of birth are forced into prostitution!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    do you think that if we opened up the borders completely, letting wave after wave of immigrants into this country, that we'd be better off? If they're forced into prostiution whilst in their home countries and brought over here by their 'employers' then we got to take the mother fucking prostitute dealing wankers down. Not just sit back and make excuses for ourselves
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    solo, can you back up that houses are given out as you first asserted?

    Beyond that which I read in the tabloids, no

    My local council has produced a report on asylum to which the public will not be privy, shows how sensitive they are. There are >6000 asylum in the borough, that must be a pressure on housing

    I heard on R4 of friction between asylum Iraqis + established muslims in derby, as has happened in Southampton. There's no end of problems around asylum seekers
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    Beyond that which I read in the tabloids, no

    Exactly. Tabloids lie all the time around asylum issues.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Exactly. Tabloids lie all the time around asylum issues.

    No they don't, you might come up with an exaggerated story from a tabloid but the tabloids only push this issue as it accords with the reality of the public who are feeling swamped by asylum seekers in many areas of life, schools, hospitals, housing, GP's. I myself have seen offices full with them.

    Tabloids didn't lie about the 'HIV assassin', or the AIDS rape of a counsellor but they did highlight their asylum status, yes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There are ways and ways and lying. And yes, tabloids LIE when they come up with headlines such as "IT'S OFFICIAL- WE'RE BEING SWAMPED BY REFUGEES", "BRITAIN ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE", "ASYLUM SEEKERS WILL BRING THE NHS DOWN" and other utter bullshit we've have to put up with from the 100% racist and xenophobic S*n and Daily Mosley.

    We're not being swamped (in fact we're eighth in the asylum seekers European league), the country is not on the verge of collapsing :rolleyes: , and the NHS is in no danger whatsoever of being overwhelmed by a few extra patients who don't happen to be white and British.

    Rags like the Scum and the HateMail tell 2 truths every morning: the price and the date. Everything else they print is fucking bollocks.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by solo
    No they don't,

    Yes they do. Did you read that link I posted a couple of pages back? I'll remind you...


    http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspu...1104108,00.html


    quote:
    The PCC is currently investigating a complaint by a Somalian over a front-page story which appeared in the Daily Star in August headlined "Asylum seekers eat our donkeys".

    A police source was quoted by the Star, alleging that immigrants were responsible for the theft of nine donkeys from Greenwich royal park - and may have killed and eaten the animals.

    The article claimed donkey meat is a delicacy in Somalia. However the meat is in fact forbidden by the country's Islamic law.



    See? Tabloids lie ALL THE TIME about this stuff and bury apologies in the back pages. They have a racist agenda to push. And people like you willingly swallow these lies. Maybe you should develop some critical faculties, then you wouldn't be so gullible.
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