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The Death Penalty
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Any crime really.
I know mentally ill people this wont affect, but your normal average person who has thieved all his life, stolen cars etc. some of these get let out and once they are out go straight back into a life of crime. If prison was lets say hard graft and they had to work bloody hard in there, if they were given basic food enough to keep them alive but not starve them, things like that may stop them going back.
I have suffered extreme poverty at some time in my life. I had a flat and no money for lighting, i had no food but I did not steal so thats no excuse for going to crime.
Past actions do not shape future actions. Just because you have done something in the past, however terrible, does not mean that you have lost your right to protection from crime. Humans are equal, if you have comitted a crime you lose your liberty, but you do not lose your rights as a human being. And thjsoe rights include protection from persecution.
Unless you are suggesting that we should do without the legal; JUSTICE system, and just hang people in the market square?
For high-level crimes it is usually due to pathology or abuse during childhood, for less high-level crimes you can take your pick from drug habits, lack of education, lack of opportunity and lack of ambition. People who ahve something to look forward to do not generally return to prison habitually, but if you have zero job prospects and zero ability to better yourself, you might as well do teh crime because the time inside is no deterrent. If youve got nothing on the outside, why bother staying there?
We keep having this discussion Becky. Anyone who thinks that prison is a cushy life is not thinking about it properly. Unless you think having to shit in a bucket is fun, that is.
Sorry that made me smile.
Thats not really hard work though is it, unless of course you are constipated
firstly let me clarify I have said I dont agree with the death penalty.
I had no job, no money, no family near me, no food, no electric and did I turn to crime ? Poverty is no excuse. I was lowest of the low at this time, I even felt that low that at one point cried myself to sleep everynight, If id had the guts and wasnt such a soft shite I may have even taken my life. I didnt turn to crime and nobody else can use that as an excuse.
Something obviously told me I would make it in the end, which eventually I did get sorted out.
Your debating is tedious and time-wasting. If somone is found undoubtably guilty then they should be executed, end off. Then nobody, on all corners of the earth, will have to worry about the bastard every again.
lol nah you wont win me over on this one. As i said early on once upon a time i was like you are. I would have said soon as they are found guilty hang em, but now I have seen so many debates here they have shown me that the death penalty is the easy way out for the offender.
You never know give it a year and if your still here we might have turned your opinion round
hang em up by good old fashioned meathooks and fry em with hand held zappas.
then go on to sell it as a game ...or is this late 80's stuff?
I'm afraid I can only see myself becoming more authoritarian Becky. I maybe wrong but I doubt that I'll be moving even a millimetre in the step towards liberalism. However, you can still try to change my mind if you want to
Nah, he makes pnj look like a bastion of intelligence and wit.
Gandhi or Hitler? I wonder who did more good for the world.
Martin Luther King or Ronald Reagan? I wonder who did more good for the world.
Wilberforce or Powell? I wonder who did more good for the world.
I think I might see a pattern emerging here...
I dont mean to be rude, but if thats true its one of the more depressing things I've heard in a long while.
Hitler had a vision for his country. It was a vision, however, which he over-did. Everyone is entitled to the view that citizens of their home country should have more "living-space" and that people should be proud of their national identity. His policy went wrong however with the mass persecution of the Jews which I completely condemn and in no way sympathise with. He is always portrayed as having been a crazed and metally-ill individual and whilst this is probably true, the fact that he received the backing of so many people around him suggests that his vision was shared amongst many. Let me set the record completely straight before you liberals attempt to twist what I have said, I DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MASS-MURDER OF JEWS BUT CONDEMN IT. Look at Stalin, he was responsible for the deaths of over 5 times more people than Hitler and yet you liberals never care to mention him because his idea was supposed to have been one of communal unity and equality.
And as depressed as you may feel having read my comment about my generation being the future of this country, you can take great reassurance in the fact that there are many liberals amongst people my age and they are sure to carry on the destruction of this country as you presently so easily advocate.
The point you raise about the comparison between Hitler and Stalin is an interesting one though. I'm sure most if not all of us here know the figures involved, but dont for one minute the reason he isnt given such evil status is because of our lefty politics. Thats just rubbish.
Hitler invaded other countries, he brought the whole of Europe into a massive conflict. However Stalin slowly killed his own people without bothering other countries that much. There is a difference. You are right in the over all numbers of people, Stalin was a much worse mass murderer than Hitler, but, he had the good sense not to start a world war, and those types of things stick in peoples minds.
Also, many of Stalins dead were from starvation, not really from deliberate killing. Yes it was his stupid policies that did it, but unlike with Hitler he didnt round them all up and kill them. Although he did quite a bit of that too.
I would also suggest that its the images of the death camps that have stuck in peoples minds, there are very few images of the gulags, to video of those starved people.
Jesus fucking Christ! You're so "us and them" aren't you? How did one so young become so fucked up and bitter?
The ending of apartheid in the US and the civil rights movement has benefitted everyone, black, white and every other shade enormously. Treating a group of people as 2nd class citizens harms all of us.
If you had your way, we'd still have slavery and children working down the pit. :rolleyes:
This just goes to show how ignorant you are. If you actually had any fucking clue what you were on about and weren't just parroting the crap that you probably heard your parents spout, you'd know that "liberals" condemn Stalin just as much as Hitler.
Get your head out of your arse.
What destruction of this country? There you again making wild assertions with no basis in fact.
The one through which true Englishmen will become a minority in their own country in the next 30 or so years.
no one can really be as misinformed as you are, surely?
Whats a "true Englishman"?
But ofcourse they do :yes:
One who appreciates and has knowledge of British history and literature, and one who considers England to be his spiritual home (probably because they spent their childhood here). Shame I can't say that about the arabs, turks, eastern europeans, africans and asians that come here in their masses.