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Blagsta please, We already know that you're a liberal, don't turn into an anarchist aswell. You might aswell lead a revolution against the state as a controlling mechanism. Then we can all live in anarchist paradise.... or not.
Whats the size of America got to with it?
The point is, that it doesn't act as a deterrent. If it did, would the US have such a high crime rate? And no, most criminals don't think about consequences. "And if there are criminals who dont think of the consequences, then they'll end up being killed by the death-penalty." errrr....your point was about it being a deterrant. Kind of arguing against yourself here.
Tell me why drug use should be a criminal matter.
Why should drug use be punishible? Because its the things that people can potentially do having taken drugs. Watch the film Train-spotting and then tell me if you'd like Heroin to be a part of our daily lives.
It is not a deterrent. Look at history. When we had the death penalty, did we have no murder?
The film Trainspotting is not a very good place to get your drug info from. The book is a bit better though.
Anyway, you haven't answered my question. Why should drug use be a criminal matter? Its a social and health problem. If heroin was legal, there would be far less problems associated with its use.
If heroin was legalised then the drugs market in this country would experience an outrageous boom! And then if there were problems and heroin had to be banned again, how would you tell the thousands of south americans exporting drugs to the UK legally to fuck off?
If heroin was legalised then it would no doubt become part of our daily lives. I do not wish to go out on the street, knowing that there are already rapists and murderers around, and have to worry about the extra problem of heroin junkies crashing their cars while driving, attacking people, being sick or collapsing in the streets and leaving their used syringes lying around. Do you wish to have this problem in everyday life?
Can you change the fooking record :rolleyes:
I think that Blagsta has returned to base camp to re-think his attacking strategy
Answer the fucking question then.
heroin users starting revolts? LOL! Have you ever met anyone who uses heroin?
I don't think that if heroin was legal that loads of people would take it. Anyway, I'm not talking about it being available at the local corner shop.
But Becky's right, this is a topic for another thread. Have a look here
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=56193
Goodnight !!!!!!!!!
"If heroin was legalised then it would no doubt become part of our daily lives. I do not wish to go out on the street, knowing that there are already rapists and murderers around, and have to worry about the extra problem of heroin junkies crashing their cars while driving, attacking people, being sick or collapsing in the streets and leaving their used syringes lying around. Do you wish to have this problem in everyday life?"
Now you answer mine
This is starting to resemble the famous "Did you threaten to overrule him" Paxman interview of Michael Howard 10 years ago... Paxman asked the same question 14 times and he didn't get an answer. I wonder if Blagsta is about to break that record...
But anyway. On to some of the comments giant has made:
No it wouldn't. Heroin would be sold through licensed retailers such as pharmacies to registered drug addicts. The 'only' difference it would make is that it would bring the price down, drive dealers out of business and cut heroin-related crime by 90%.
Your prejudice is getting the better of your judgement again. Heroin doesn't usually come from South America, and legalisation wouldn't bring "thousands of south americans" (or people from anywhere else) to this country. On the contrary- legalisation would drive them away.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear... :rolleyes:
Where do you live? HMP Wandsworth?
Yeah. Because if heroine was legalised I could see everyone- my grandma, auntie, the neighbour- buying some and shooting up.
Do you give any thought to what you post?
What the fuck is your problem?
I very much doubt that would happen. Junkies attacking people? Don't be silly. Ever seen someone gouching? Anyway, what you describe, "being sick or collapsing in the streets and leaving their used syringes lying around" is exactly the situation we have at the moment...
I think its easy enough to work out. Keep talking to me like that and your not going to get anywhere. As I have said before you have an attitude problem and I just cannot be bothered wasting my time anymore when this is the response you come out with.
May I jog your memory and remind you who was rude first?
talk about hypocrisy
Aaah if it was available ON PRESCRIPTION from pharmacies then the situation would be totally different. It would only be prescribed to heroin addicts. But how would you stop them from not using it all and selling some off? How would you stop the hundreds of people who are bound to take advantage of its legalisation by pretending they are addicts themselves when they're actually drug dealers desperate for quick cash? And how would you stop the people who are so desperate for cash that they're prepared to steal friends/relatives prescriptions and use them for no good?
"Where do you live? HMP Wandsworth?"
No, I live in the real world not your panzy fantasy liberal world.
The solution for drug addicts is currently rehab. It's designed to make addicts clean and realise how much better their lives are without hard drugs. If heroin was legalised, then the decision to come off the drugs would be the drug addicts'. Are you suggesting therefore that you're prepared for drug addicts who will not make this decision and eventually end up shooting themselves up to death?
Talk about the issues and by all means make reference to a comment someone else has made but when someone is not answering a point, someone is just being rude, someone is talking off-topic, someone is being personal then move on rather than descending to their level.
In the real world anyone who wants to score drugs will easily do so. So why aren't we all hooked to heroin, syringes dangling from our arms?
The answer is because we don't want to. Those who want to use drugs, will. And no law, rule or police force in the world is going to stop it. Therefore legalisation will not make one iota of a difference with regard to the number of drug users.
Like I said, the only difference it will make is that the price will come down, the dealers will be driven out of business, the prisons will be eased up and drug-related crime will come down by as much as 90%.
Obviously too much of a good prospect for some...
So in this "real world" of yours, does everyone who smokes or drinks alcohol commit crime to feed their "habit"?
Ever asked yourself why not?
Remeber nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known to man, several times higher than heroin...
Not directly harming others but the indirect effects could be quite serious.
I am sure you are well aware that a large portion of crime is drug motivated.
there is also the issue of the harm to friends and family of an individual who wrecks there lives with drugs.
Yes people are free to make their own choices but drug taking often reaches a stage where it is no longer a matter of choice.....
Are you suggesting that the opinions of southerners are soemwhat stereotypical?
I think not.........
For what reason? Do you have anything to add or should everyone take this as meaning "them"?
However it is always misleading to discuss 'drugs' as one group. All drugs are different and should be treated as such. To suggest blanket answers to the 'drug problem' is just stupid.
Cannabis for example has been proven time and time again to be less harmful than both alcohol and smoking, but it remains illegal and the others not. But then powerful drugs like heroin and crack are a different matter altogether.
The drug laws as they stand dont work, there are upwards of ONE MILLION users of class A drugs in this country, many of whom feel they are doing nothing wrong and resent their criminalisation. This breeds an unfortunate distance between the people and the police force which makes solving crimes harder.