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Really? You think they've been forthcoming with all the facts in this?
There is a feminist in me that totally agrees that the history of marriage is oppressive to women, etc. I know feminists who don't wear rings and weren't given away and I've a lot of sympathy with that.
To my mind, normalising marriage for ask couples as being about love, stability, etc., not just gender norms is good for women in that it shoes marriage has moved on from simply passing the burden and child-bearing hips of a woman from father to husband.
Also, being told you can't do something is a powerful motivator towards wanting it!
Do you see a difference between opposing something which doesn't affect you but harms others, and opposing something which doesn't affect you but benefits others?
I'd say they were very different things.
What if gay people getting married hurts their souls? If (for whatever reason) you believe that to be true I can see being opposed to it for the same reason you'd care if a baby was killed.
I see where you're going with that. I don't think the law should pander to people with outdated beliefs, though. Even if they are using religion to excuse them!
How can they be outdated when there are massive groups of people who still have the same beliefs?
I think kaff means because the bible was written 2000 years ago, society was very different back then. What may have been normal then may not be normal now.
They've certainly given the police full access to all of their records, yes. They haven't whisked anyone off to Rome to be beyond the reach of authorities.
Catholics are anti-contraception. There are a fair few Catholics in the world. Should we, on that basis, do away with contraception?
I did, but I'm making the point that just because many people hold a religious belief it does not mean it has a place in a modern world.
Unless we are picking and choosing which bits of religion we can update and which we can't?
Thing is that it's not the religion which needs updating, it's the interpretation of parts of it and it's influence over our lives regardless of whether individually we believe. Too much power in the wrong hands IMHO
That I would definitely agree with! I would welcome a greater divide between church and state. And maybe in an increasingly multicultural country, this is what we will eventually see? Much to the horror of Daily Mail types, obviousiy!
My general interpretation of the various religious texts (purely as an interested person, not a theologian or practitioner of religions myself) is the healthiest interpretation is that they are allegorical. The stories told are there - in the same way childrens stories on cbeebies are told - to convey an idea or concept that we can use to live our life in the best way possible.
As such then absolutely 'you' (or rather theologians and practitioners) can kind of pick which bits to update and which bits not to update. Religion shouldn't impose itself on people like an arbitrary list of rules with no meaning, but instead should be a reflection on how people can best live their lives within their context. There's always moral dilemmas, always problems regardless of whether you are a vatican nun or an abusive alcoholic living in a caravan in Telford.
That's pretty much what I would have had said. There's no proof that being gay harms my soul (if such a thing even exists), and if it did, I'm a grown up making my own informed decisions.
I don't think that multiculturalism will change anything because many religions believe the same things, or have the same prejudices.
The key is to restrict religions influence generally. They are possible the most insipid pressure and lobbying groups of all.
Hmmm, yes. Probably a good point.
Then let's hope for a situation where religion is entirely self-contained!
In what ways?
I was trying to make a point that babies can be raised by same sex couples... I don't actually have a baby.
And there's no one more "coloured" than the whites.
well all people are different, and white people encompasses many different races, and so does black people.
I think pretty much all differences apart from that are cultural rather than some evolutionary, apart from appearance-wise . After all we are exactly the same species, and any differences between a black person and a white person, will be found between two white people or two black people.
When you say different, what do you mean??
That doesn't mean they should have different natural rights though, or the same freedoms.