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Seriously, I never usually recommend that anyone does this but, you should watch Jeremy Kyle sometimes and so how many of our fellow countrymen would fulfill pretty much all of those elements.
You aren't making these comments because you don't like that type of behaviour are you? You making these comments because you don't like the fact that people "who don't look like you" act in this way too. How very dare they.
They're valid concerns, but what do you think the BNP would do about it?
I'm not convinced by the "hanging on street corners" thing. My grandmother regularly complains about how in her day everyone used to stand outside and talk to each other because they saw themselves as a community, but now a group of people standing outside talking is intimidating.
As thunderstruck said, people who cheat the benefit system are doing wrong whether they were born here or not. I don't think it would make many people feel better if they only let Brits do it.
As significant as these problems are, they're not exclusive to immigrants, so they need to be dealt with generally.
As I mentioned in a post a while back in this thread, whilst ridiculing Lyric for her naivity can make the left-leaning people on here feel nice and smug about themselves, there is a serious issue at hand which is worthy of debate.
Sadly under Labour, even the mention of mass immigration as anything but unmitigated awesomeness would mean you'd be dragged through the mill as a racist bigot. As Brown found out much to his dismay when he was accosted by that Duffy woman, this is a genuine issue that a lot of ordinary people have genuine concerns about. In his little enclave of Westminster and in his amazingly ethnically homogenous constituency in Scotland, the effects of 13 years of mass immigration must have looked fairly minimal. However, if you look at Bradford, the East End of London, much of East Anglia and other large connurbations, I'm sure the picture is very different.
Even the Graun's Comment is Free section has been caught up in what was until very recently, a largely verboten debate. For the sake of balance, I'll present articles from each side of the debate. I think the general tone of the comments left by people afterwards speak for themselves.
1. Hina Majid: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/08/tackling-global-poverty-requires-ethical-immigration-policy
2. Daniel Trilling: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/10/expecting-immigrants-speak-english-hypocritical
3. Tim Finch: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/09/labour-leadership-immigration-angst
Finally, another piece by Tim Finch on the Open Democracy site stating what a lot of people, including myself, have been thinking for a while about the attitude of certain parts of the left regarding their attitude towards immigration and how it stifles genuine progression: http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/tim-finch/is-progressive-case-for-migration-truly-progressive
Apologies for the link-fest; it's been really interesting and genuinely surprising that CiF of all places has become a hotbed for debate around this topic. I guess more sane people read Rusbridger's rag than I give them credit for.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/04/higher-immigration-bnp-support
seems to make sense!
What gives people of the anti-BNP brigade the right to riot on our streets and terrorise people? If all these so called anti-fascists went away there would be no trouble.
And let's not be under any illusions about the real objective of BNP marches and meetings at towns and cities with a large ethnic minority presence.
What gives the BNP the right to instigate increases in racial tensions?
The ANL (for example) are just as anti-democratic as the BNP I don't hold much trcuk with them either. However, at least they are concerned about people's actions and beliefs rather than just the colour of their skin and/or religion.
Is this your way of coming out as a BNP supporter too?
If previous governments had gotton tough on immigration then there would be no need for the BNP as a party to exist.
Are you really saying that someone's political opinion is more important than whether or not they obey the law?
Protests are legal, problems like violence are not legal. Things like skin colour, religion and political belief have to be kept seperate from the enforcement of the law and basic human rights. Anyone willing to deny someone their right to protest because they don't like their reason for protesting is as bad as the BNP are. I don't think the BNP will ever win an election but if we start to condone these kinds of problems at protests orgainsed by certain people it won't be the BNP that destroy democracy, it will be us.
Well there are people desperate for jobs but the companies give them to Poles and Asians because Poles and Asians are willing to work for less money. It happens where I work.
I don't know where you work, but I find that hard to believe. Did you hire them? Do you pay their wages?
In my experience, the situation is normally that 'Poles and Asians' are hired either because they will work ten times as hard for the same money, or because they cannot recruit local British staff as these people who are 'desperate for jobs' feel the work is beneath them.
Legal migrants are entitled to the same basic working rights as anyone else, including the minimum wage. You shouldn't believe all the borderline racist crap you are peddled.
In that case blame the employers and not the employees.
That's different. Your parents came here to help in the war effort! And a lot of England is Irish.
Is it so wrong for people to get away from persecution?
mOST pOLES ARE LEAVING AND HEADING FOR WHERE THE WORK IS NOW ...pOLAND.
:yes:
there are many people who are out of work but do not wish to take up menial jobs because they used to be 'professionals' and think they are too good for low wage jobs, particularly in recent years.
my experience of 'Poles and Asians' is that they work damn hard and earn the money they are paid. they are not hired because of their nationality or because they are cheap labour, they are hired because they are often the only ones willing to do the job.
Tell me, lyric, would your parents be willing to work through the night flipping burgers for barely minimum wage? Because if not, they have no right to moan about how those particular Eastern Europeans are 'stealing' jobs from British people, when most British people would look at a job like that and think it was beneath them.
The problem isn't race and it isn't immigration, which the BNP usually blame (oh yeah, them 'aids monkey' gays too), it's a multitude of issues which, if their research was serious and not racist propaganda, would come to light.
The impression that I often get from the BNP and supporters I have met is that they do feel threatened and saddest of all is that a lot of people feel helpless and ignored by the government at the moment and BNP prey on this.
I think really, that the party can be seen as quite predatory, run by nasty people who have a chip on their shoulder and a sense of entitlement and targetting people who may not be as educated, or who may be vulnerable.
I f*ckin' hate politics.
And a lot came over to escape the potato famine. That sounds like being an economic migrant. But the Irish are OK.
The Doctors that come here from India and Africa, on the otherhand, bringing needed skills - they should go "home".
Tell me again how it's nothing to do with skin colour.
The UK population is now 62 million yet we are one of the smalled countries in the world in terms of area.
I say no more immigrants! At least until the UK population has fallen by a few million.
Maybe we should do swaps? We can take in economic migrants who want to work hard and pay their taxes, and then deport all the workshy layabouts who sit at home draining resources, popping out kids and never putting a penny back into the system?
We've been absorbing millions of people for centuries. And none of the immigration figures and calculations seem to be counting emigrants. In 1999, the net population increase due to immigration was 181,500.
A total of 331,800 non-British people entered the UK in 1999. The same year, a total of 268,500 people emigrated, including 141,099 non-British people. But nobody talks about that side of things. Everybody talks about the UK getting 'full' - it's rubbish. We're not 'full', we're not a bus with a certain number of seats. People enter the country all the time, people leave it all the time.