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What the soilders believed themselves to be doing is fine, but it was the govenment that got involved in the war, the governemnt that insturucted the soilders and so its that which is relevant. The soliders were acting on the instructions on the American governemnt, they were therefore fighting for America, not us, they lost their lives for America not us, they were fighting for America's freedom not ours.
The fact we had the same objective and enemy meant we benefited from them, nobody forced the governemt to send them, had they not sent them they wouldn't of been here.
I fully undersatnd what you are saying, this could go on forever, were not really saying conflicting things, yes they came and died along side us, for a shared cause, but those soliders were loyal to America, not us. They were not fighting for Britain but America.
Like I've said we can only speculate, but had Germany conquered Europe it would of provided america with a economic and military rival it didn't want.
Now, answer the question, why come to Europe after Pearl Habour ? If helping was the primary aim, why wait so long ?
Why Europe? Because Churchill asked.
Why wait? Because the American people were not interested in sending their young men to die in Europe only 20 years after the last time. And since we are a Republic, regardless of what Roosevelt wanted to do, he had to wait for the appropriate time that would swing the majority of people to support the action.
I suggest you read some history.
The timing is too much of a coincidence for me, I doubt America came to europe just because Chirchill asked, that seems far to lame despite what the history books may or may not say.
F.D.R who was your president at the time was a supported of democracy and was against nazi germany and they allies.
BUT
The fact remains that the US government did not want to get involved in another european war as they did not believe it served they own self interests and that it was FDR your president at the time who pushed for joining the war and if it was not for pearl habour u yankees would not have bothered
This is a point that gets dumped all too often, along with the weapons. Weapons donated by civilians, at the cost to civlians, went to the defense of UK. Personal, privately owned weapons.
DO YOU PEOPLE WHO CONTEND THAT US GOT INVOLVED ONLY FOR "SELF INTEREST" COMPREHEND THIS POINT???
How about the fact that 1/3 of US armed forces during WW2 were volunteers. They joined up to fight YOUR fight, and did not "wait for the call", as some of you state that you would do. THEY VOLUNTEERED TO GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S HOME TO DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE'S FREEDOM. They did not wait for the fight to be brought to the continental United States.
Japan did not want anything to do with an attempt at invading the Continental US. Seems their generals/admirals realized the consequences of facing all of those barbaric civilians with their privately owned weapons! :eek: Half a century ago, Germany had not the resources to pull it off. Controlling Europe was enough of a bite to keep them busy for decades. As history proves, they fought on too many fronts as it was...
While Germany might have had their nuclear and rocket programs far enough along in a couple more years to burn UK to the ground, then sink it into the North Sea, US involvement was sufficiently timely to prevent that.
Do I expect a "thank you"? Hell NO! :rolleyes: Kuwait is the only nation that shows its gratitude continuously... I am not so naive as to believe that the UK would emulate the Kuwaiti's. However, the awareness that the US civilians have CONSTANTLY pledged their lives to the defense of OTHER'S freedom would be acceptable, including places such as VIETNAM, where another ally came seeking our upholding of our pledge of assistance.
While this may stretch your ability to realization, the heritage of freedom is so highly prized by many within the US that we have given our lives safeguard/defend/purchase the freedom of those citizens of other countries. And do we get "thanked" for the sacrifice of our lives? No... we get demeaned as "imperialistic".
Thank YOU so very much for the object lesson of your gratitude... :rolleyes:
Can there be a more definitive anal/cranial inversion?
"Don't confuse me with fact; my emotions have my mind made up! :mad: "
Hardly surprises me anymore...
Excuse me, do you know me? Do you have any idea of what I am like in real life? No, you don't, so don't even try to guess. The only person who knows what I would do in a time of war is me and my close friends. If you asked me, or my friends instead of posting out of ignorance, you would know that I have been prepared to serve my country, voluntarily since I was 6. I plan to join up when I finish university, not because there are any immediate threats, but because I want to know that what I'm doing is important.
And my dear woman, you will have to take my word for it. For the same reason that we all stupidly believe that you are all in the military, and for some reason all have exactly the same psycotic mentality. For all I know you have never seen a gun, for all I know you've made the whole thing up. And why not, I've got no way of checking up on you, so I've had to take your word for it, and I ask that you do me the same courtesy, because it is a lot easier for me to doubt your military service than it is for you to doubt my motives.
Just out of curiosity, what DO YOU do in the army, being a woman and all....
By declaring war on you perhaps?
Actually, there are many of us who would are grateful for what you did during the war. Very grateful.
But lets not pretend that it was a purely alturistic thing on your part.
Millions? I think you over estimate things a little. The majority of armaments supplied from the US were sold to us. Like I said 50+ years later we are still paying ofr them. Yes I am grateful for the support, but like I said, the support wasn't purely alturistic. Look at the Jewish/Italian communities - I think you'll find that they had other reasons to support us, even when your Govt didn't feel it to be a priority.
I actually said "open the ranks" as well - that is when the general call to arms happens and you would have thousand (hundreds of thousand?) of volunteers very quickly.
Personally, if my country asked for us, I wouldn't wait for conscription. Thanatos is a good model for that, when the callcame he stopped what he was doing, not waiting for call up. If it hadn't been for Vietnam, would he have served?
Crap, pure unadulterated bullshit. What was our reaction following 11/9? WHat about the Gulf...excluding Vietnam we have been by your side in every conflict...
Just a reminder: the army does consist of other units than the combats...
Until you have actually done it, you are merely wishing and hoping, as has been a general theme of this thread. Until you have actually done it, even YOU do not really know.
But... it is always easier to TALK about it than to actually DO it, isn't it?
Without whom the actual combatants could not perform their designated MOS...
Could it be that you fight for freedom, or against those whom don't have the same ideas as you and hence become a threat ? Are your troops currently in South Korea simply to defend South Koreans or are they there as you see North Korea as a distant threat ?
Actually, neither you nor your close friends know either, as you will find out should you ever be so unfortunate as to experience war.
Well, Doubting Thomas, I guess you will just have to take my word for it.
But just so you know, I have been in an infantry unit for three years. I was a grunt from the moment I signed my name on the dotted line. I have seen units deploy, I have been deployed myself. Do you see my avatar? That is the patch of the 34th ID...Infantry Divison. The patch that I wear now on my left shoulder. You wanna know their history? Do a search on yahoo and you will find what you seek. They have a long history and I am damn proud to be bearing it on my shoulder.
I have done more than you can ever dream of with my military service.
I shit you not that I am who I say I am.
I carry an M16. I know how to kill a man with my bare hands, with a rifle, a hand gun, a bayonet.
Full time in the garrison, I design programs and train soldiers to be more than I hope to be in the military. I get my soldiers paid, I make sure that their benefits are in order when they die for their country so they're families have to suffer less than they already are. I have trained in war simulations so that I can perform my job better, in fact I just came back from the nation's most prestigious training site in Ft. Irwin, CA.
Do you still doubt me? Look it up, they have a website.
Want me to prove it? I have numerous copies of my military service record, both hard copy and electronically.
I am more than willing to prove who and WHAT I am. Are you? When the pressure becomes more than you can handle, are you ready?
Do not dare to question my loyalty to the uniform I wear or to my brothers that stand with me here trying to pull your heads out of your asses and show you the light of day.
Don't you dare fucking question my honor or I'll show you exactly what I am made of.
As Greenhat, 63DH8, Diesel, myself and others did not KNOW until we had each been through it...
That wasn't the implication I was making, I apologise to Greenhat if that is the impression I gave.
My point was that there are sufficient armed forces at present to allow this and other actions to continue. If not, he would be in Afghanistan.
Once this is not the case and the UK Govt issues a call to arms, I will be there.
Not gonna question your honour or anything, but I'm intrigued how you will show him what you are made of
She serves. She signed her name on the line. She stood up, took the oath, and continues to serve, in whatever capacity she is directed. Military service is about placing personal desires last, and the good of the whole first. It is about discipline, accepting orders, and bring them to fruition.
That is honorable.
You have yet to step forward. You speculate. You hope, dream, and think. You plan, (perhaps).
NOT the same thing.
No more than wanking away to pornography is the same as being married...
A similar thing then. It doesn't matter, is it illegal in the USA to have honourable intentions or something?
I intend/plan/desire to join the armed forces in a combat role either the Army in the Royal Armoured Corps/Artillery or the RAF as pilot. But because I only intend to do these things I'm less than worthy in your eyes?
you not gonna reply to my message?
p.s.love the little edit at the end, very erm....a word opposite to relevant?
Anything I have to say, I prefer to be public, rather than an exchange of private messages, especially when the expected subject matter is contentious. I have nothing to hide, and anything of a more personal nature would be conveyed face to face. OPSEC, you know.
Having intentions is certainly NOT the same as having brought them to fruition... otherwise, we should ALL be something other than what we are.
contentious? All i wanted to know is if you wanted to talk on MSN, perhaps a proper conversation instead of heated argument. I didn't put my e-mail address here for the same reason you probably wouldn't put yours here.
I promise not to talk about anything to do with America.
A little more research into the extent of the war on terrorism might be in order.
"The highway to hell is paved with good intentions."
Sound familiar?
Honor is like respect, it is earned. You do honorable things. It isn't a credit deal.
GIJane has earned it. Thanatos has earned it. Diesel has earned it.
You haven't.
And we don't leave them in bases in the rear. Our military units are not static like the military units in Europe. We do not work out of bases, kaserns, or laggers like the European military. When we get our call, the bases are emptied. Everything is done our of our trucks or tents. We believe in a mobile doctrine. We repair our vehicles in the field, we get paid in the field, we get our medical attention in the field. Because of this, we are also open to combat, even in our rear echelon units. It may be rare, but it happens. It happened in Vietnam many times. In the Gulf War, female truck drivers took POWs. The POWs didn't like the idea of getting captured by women, but the women didn't mind. They're trained to fire their weapon and kill just like the men in their units. Some women like the power their weapon gives them They feel, in one sense, it makes them at least an equal. They can kill just as efficient as a man can. With their weapon, 5'2" female soldier can kill a 6 foot tall man just as fast as he can kill her.
Whowhere, Don't sell women in the US military short. If you're on the other side, they'll kill you just as fast as the men will and continue eating their lunch afterward. They'll give your bleeding carcass no more attention than they would a fly they swatted. I've seen it happen.
*salutes*
I would rather leave the north in peace as it is now, and help the big boys and girls with the action down south
If everything goes as planned then I will get to do so in about three years.
The Danish army doesn't really appeal to me. Planning to serve where I am asked and needed, rather than going to an army where my servence will be concidered as decoration rather than real duty. Want to go where I will know that my contribution is needed a 120%