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What If....Germany
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What if Germany had beaten England in The second world war?
Would you be a suicide bomber, prepared to sacrifice yourself for your country to rid the Germans off our proud land?
And in the first world war, those thousands of men, running blindly at the machine guns, which mowed them all down. Were they all not just sacrificing themselves?
I know the Palestinian have been talked about on here and some people believe them to be terrorists. but Would you not fight the germans if we had lost the war. would you become a suicide bomber? and would you still see the Germans as human if they burned your towns and killed your loved ones and knows what else.
I'm still stood in the middle as to if the Palestinian are terrorists. I'll see what other people say before I see what side I take.
Would you be a suicide bomber, prepared to sacrifice yourself for your country to rid the Germans off our proud land?
And in the first world war, those thousands of men, running blindly at the machine guns, which mowed them all down. Were they all not just sacrificing themselves?
I know the Palestinian have been talked about on here and some people believe them to be terrorists. but Would you not fight the germans if we had lost the war. would you become a suicide bomber? and would you still see the Germans as human if they burned your towns and killed your loved ones and knows what else.
I'm still stood in the middle as to if the Palestinian are terrorists. I'll see what other people say before I see what side I take.
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I wouldn't compare those two cases.
And I recommend, that íf you do, then do it more specific, so we know exactly what you are on about.
Would you fight or live by there rule, imagining also that it still the Nazi party in power.
I can see i'm stepping on thin ice but its only a question, and i'm wondering what everyone views are. I don't wish to up set anyone.
The second you start targetting the innocent rather than the soldiers, you become a terrorist.
The Palestinians? I assume you mean groups like Hamas/Isl;amic Jihad rather than the Palestinian people as a whole? If you are undecided on those groups then I had been giving you far more credit than you deserve.
I didn't want to go to far into terrorist groups because we have had terrorist groups working in England for year the IRA. But that a whole different ball park and i'm not even going to there.
I was mainly wondering would you have it in you to stand up for what you believe in and become a suicide bomber?
going off the point for one moment I read a poem a while back, by a man who was in the first world war call Wilfred Owen, its call "Dulce et Decorum Est"
I pretty sure it means, "it is sweet and fitting to die for your country"
on his last verse of his poem he writes
"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old lie: Dulce et Decorum Est Pro patria mori"
But if you become a suicide bomber you don't see any of your enemy as innocent and i dare say all your morals and ethics go out the widow??
(Still imagining) remembering your in a war fighting for your country.
Your argument is just getting bizarre now..Obviously a suicide bomber puts their morals and ethics aside, because they blow up women and children..I really dont see what you are trying to get at here.
Suicide bombing is an incredibly bad way of fighting a war. The only thing those tactics are good for, is killing and terrorising innocents. If there were a foreign army here then I would fight them in the most effective way possible. That would not be suicide bombings.
Grow up and try contributing to the fucking thread..
Are we not allowed to talk about England on its own now? Must we include Scotland and Wales in every single thread we mention England?
The question was 'What if ENGLAND were beaten...Stop jumping the gun...
*waits*
The statement is a contradiction. I believe in freedom and responsibility for one's actions. Being a suicide bomber isn't standing up for what you believe in, it's just being stupid.
lmao, since when do we NEED the other countries, you just give us hassle. MAybe you should try going it alone, see how long Scotland/NI/Wales last then.
As for the main question, things were different back then. I don't recall reading about French suicide bombers, maybe because in Europe we have more intelligence than to blow ourselves up in a futile effort to rid our country of an invading power that is infinitely more powerful than us?
As for the evil nazi hordes, It was one of Hitler's dreams to see the UK and Germany standing side by side. He initially wanted an alliance, and he said if Britain was conquered we would be treated as equals, due to his admiration and respect for the British spirit.
Hope you are not serious with the last sentence...
The most uncomprehensible thing is indeed the suicide. And it is not a matter of intelligence: Japanese did it as well, and in Europe the one who deliberately gave their life for their country are regarded generally as super patriots, names are given to the streets, etc.
Concerning civilian causalities.. they think they are fighting a war
and civilian casualities is not an issue that is going to stop from acting.
I'm not defending them but as somedody said before we need to attempt to understand terrorism if we want to stop it.. or not?
I did meanly want to see what people would do if there were in a situation where they were being suppressed by greater power. Perhaps take away all issues of morals and ethics and right and wrong if it make it easier then. And just think on the one issue of suicide bomber
Would you view suicide bombers as a foolish waste of life? Or an act of heroism ?
I’ll pipe down now. Thanks for your replies.
Foolishness. Not just as a waste of life but foolishness as a military tactic. It has the roots of defeat built into it.
Read what I wrote before making yourself look like a penis...I didnt say that England could have stood alone, once again youve seen what you wanted to see in someones post.
Oh and we didnt need you guys during WW2 as all of us were threatened. Dont act as though it was a favour you did for England. We were all in danger and we all pulled together.
As for today....We dont need Scotland and we dont need Wales...England can quite easily stand on her own two feet, if she were allowed.
You still need to specify more. Killing yourself along with many enemy soldiers is a very different thing than killing yourself along with many innocent civilians.
The Japanese pilots were worthy of respect. They flew their planes at the most heavily armed ships in the world. They attacked their real enemy, the soldiers..
The middle eastern terrorists target the wives and children of their enemy and that makes them worthy of contempt.
What is worthy of contempt ?
the fact that they kill innocent people or the fact that they suicide themselves to do so?
Probably on strike
That they target innocents.
Whereas we just bombed them from 20,000ft during the war...
Sorry Balddog but we cannot claim a "holier than thou" attitude on killing innocents just becuase our method was different, we still killed them, and in greater numbers (and to be honest I have no problem with that).
In answer to Harmless' question, if I had lost all hope and couldn't see any alternative then yes, I would do anything to fight them. But then, if hope is lost, what else is there? I defy anyone here to say that they would happily live under such a regime and wouldn't do whatever was necessary to rid us of such oppression.
The things is, as others have said, it isn't comparable with Palestine - perhaps it was the wording of your question which was wrong.
Are you talking about WW2? Times were different back then.
If youre talking about Afghanistan or Iraq...Well then thats down to motivation. We did not deliberately target civilians. We can claim a 'holier than thou' stance, not because our methods are different, but because our motives are different.
I understand that all civilian deaths are horrific but you cannot deny that deliberately targeting them is much worse than accidentally killing them. Obviously not different to the families but on a moral level.
For the record, I would live under a hostile regime before I started deliberately murdering women and children..
Maybe it is for us, sitting here in comfort and free from any real form of oppression...
How else is it different?
I think you know me better than that.
No bomb can be 100% accurate and even if they are, people like Saddam would make sure that there were innocents in the buildings, just so that he could start pulling at the heartstrings of the left-wing anti-war lobby.
No, I'm talking deliberate targetting. We did that then, happily, and I have no doubt that, if we thought it would achieve a war aim, we would do it again...
I dont mean the situation, I mean whats acceptable. There is no way in hell we would firebomb cities these days. You cant compare the morals of 50 years ago to those of today. Not with the advances in human rights and the like we have had since then.
You have no doubt we would do it again? Im 100% positive that we would not do it again.
so we shouldn't be upset when they do it...