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And if anything the forums aren't causing any more problems, they are just highlighting the problems that are actual out there in society today unfortunately... which is probably why the forums were started..
I don't think many people on this board would care what you have to say now.
That is something different entirely. Eating disorders are a mental problem, not something that can mainly be solved by hitting the weights (getting off your arse, in other words) and sorting out your diet.
Another thread entirely, dude. One that I won't be touching as I don't understand it at all.
But isn't there an argument that mental problems sometimes contribute to obesity? Not a lone factor, I grant you, but hear me out. For example, you've got a person who eats food, because the brain considers it to be "good for them", or maybe because they think they deserve nothing better, such is their immense self-loathing... I reckon there are certain parallels.
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Do you mean in terms of food addiction?
Edit: But yes of course, low self esteem and comfort eating etc, can contribute into a negative cycle. Which is why I'd never say cruel things to another human being regarding their looks, because well, aside from the fact it's cruel, you never know how they're going to react. But, if someone who was overweight wanted my advice about their lifestyle, I could never say be happy as you are and if they wanted help, I'd find ways and give advice to help them. That said, if they're happy, fine, I won't say anything.
You don't have to be 'associated' with somebody to be offended by what they say.
Lol - I use the word dude all the time, just not on here
Definitely not disputing your points, but more often than not I believe a little pro-activity in both your diet and your lifestyle will sort out most people that are over-weight. Also, once people have made that shift in their mental state towards their diet/life style, that tends to counter many negative issues.
There will be a percentage that suffer from the above mentioned issues, but I think the current 'fast-food' lifestyle and just being plain lazy are major contributors to the weight 'crisis' that seems to be spreading (excuse the pun) more than anything else.
The subject we're on far out-weighs (guffaw!) the under-eating disorders out there in a national sense in various ways. Not belittling the indiviual cases or anorexia or bulemia suffered, but that is just not on the same scale.
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Thanks for the apology, although I'm not sure you really mean it?
Anyhow, just wanted to remind you that when you signed up to these boards you agreed not to post anything abusive. While your comments aren't directed at a particular individual, I think it's natural for people to get a little upset by what you said. To hate a whole group of people purely for the way they look is a strange attitude and shows that you don't care what their personality or other traits are, just that you look good hanging out with them. It's unsurprising that people would assume you to be shallow in the light of such comments and I can't believe that you wouldn't expect such retorts when writing posts like these.
I'd appreciate it if we could get back to the topic and stop winding each other up now. Cheers.
Fair enough, but I would say this, if things are costing other people money (ie the NHS) then it's fair enough to be concerned, don't you think?
http://www.nao.org.uk/pn/00-01/0001220.htm
And from what I can read here, it's the people who moan about being fat but don't do anything about it that seem to get under peoples skin.
I think as has been said, that people use "being concerned about their health" or the health of the nation as just a cover up for the fact that they personally think everyone else should be attractive to their eyes.
You get the same sort of recoil in horror attitude about women who dont shave etc and its generally a prejudice against fat women more than anything. Noone gives that much of a shit if a man is chubby, but a fat woman - well thats just obscene.
For me, at least, that is not true. The sight of an almost spherical beer belly or a stomach hanging out from underneath a t-shirt is pretty nasty to me too. Moobs, too, are not good.
I think the difference is, generally blokes are not permanently on diets or complaining about it, whereas generally, women are.
Oh hun, it's actually brought tears to my eyes after reading your posts.
I'm not going to say I've felt the same because everyone is different but I've been in a similar position and it is awful. I used to be o/w when I was at school and got picked on, comments made, and the fact my friends were all like size 8-10's didn't help at all
Overweight people are not strange and their not people who should be mocked, there are genuine people out there who need help and want to lose weight but are too scared to joins gyms and do anything about it. I know people who could be classed as obese and are too scared to join gyms incase they are laughed at and ridiculed, and it's wrong. Today most people seemed to be brainwashed by images of perfection, perfection that is unreachable to most normal people.
I certainly don't. If I end up in obs/gynae, attractiveness is going to have nothing to do with it, if I have a matter of minutes to get from skin to foetus and the woman in question has enough body fat that requires 2 sets of hands to hold her skin back then I sure as hell will be concerned about their health. Especially when they're more at risk of complications afterwards (not to mention the complications that can arise in pregnancy due to being overweight or obese). Like I said, if someone is fat and happy, I couldn't give two shits. When it comes to their physical welbeing and you being the care provider, it's a different kettle of fish.
and go_away, as a medical professional, I would guess that attitude would be true for you, but there are so many people out there who see fat as "disgusting" and something to look down on, despite the fact that some of those people themselves may do drugs, or get paralyetic on alcohol, or harm their bodies in other ways.
Could somebody please ban this wanker.
Well as their medical care provider that is one thing to be concerned about it in that particular setting, but for the rest of it, it really is noone else business
The problem with that though, is that when it comes to women most diets and workouts are geared in a way that makes it seem like it can be done in the short-term. "Lost 2 stone in 6 weeks" "drop a dress size doing x, y and z" "tone up without lifting a finger". With men it's more of a case of no pain no gain and feel the burn.
Part of that has to do with the fact that a lot of women are now in the work-force *and* still do the majority of work in the domestic sphere, so their time is greatly limited. I've read on Body for Life that a mother of 4 found herself getting up at 5am to do her cardio workouts. She looks great for it, but sometimes you do have a lot stacked against you, especially if you're sat at a desk all day, or a packet of burgers costs less than a bag of fresh fruit.
There's little profit to be made from the long-term, "Eat sensibly and exercise" diet.
Seriously, pull your head out of your own fucking arse and just shut up!
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Yep, and sadly they also have a greater risk of miscarriage, double the risk of spina bifida, double the risk of gestational diabetes and pre-eclampsia. It's also harder to monitor the foetus. She'd be more likely to need a c-section, but they're riskier for that group, and the risk of haemorrage and infection is greater :no:
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You know, I started typing about that but stopped myself. Most of the diet/exercise fed to women is utter, utter shite - about which I know we've both had a rant or two about in the gym rats thread.
Men are often one or the other:
Sod it! I'm gonna eat shit, drink loads and fuck everybody - and most genuinely couldn't care what anybody else thinks.
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Right, lets give this a proper fookin' go now and see if I can't do something about me gut.
There is an in between, but it still generally involves giving it hell for the time they are working out, which then allows them to be naughty on the food/drink.
It's not usually like that with women. As mentioned, they're fed bullshit information and so think that it will all be fine if they eat cereal all day and push a pencil up and down the desk 10 times a day for their exercise. It's a crying shame and these magazines should be monitored by some executive for good nutrition/exercise.
Fancy starting it up with me, go_away?
ETA - If any women ARE trying to lose weight/get in shape, I would seriously recommend picking up a copy of men's health/fitness (as Katralla recently did) and reading their genuinely good advice on both exercise and nutrition asd opposed to what you may read in Women's Weekly or Cosmo or whatever they are called.
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We need to use the quote on your facebook at some point, you know, that excellent rant...