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Homeowner arrested after burglar falls from window.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My dog isn't aggressive though, although I'm sure as hell that if somebody broke into the place and was demanding cash out the till or so, he'd be in there to defend me. If they break in and the dog is upset by there being a stranger acting weirdly in somewhere where he's used to there only being one of two people, he's going to defend his 'turf' especially if that person is holding his mum up with a knife. Shame that if my dog were to bite somebody who stabbed me, he'd be put down, but the assailant would only get a few years in prison :rolleyes: it's like - do I warn people that if they break in, that there is a soppy-as-hell-scared-of-everything-but-loose-and-may-defend himself dobermann roaming around and get sued for advertising that the dog may bite if you break in, or do I put no sign, and then get sued for not warning them that if they break in, that above mentioned daft dog may bite them if they're tresspassing?

    In a public place however, if the dog is out of control and bites somebody, then it's fully understandable that you should get sued. Dog should at least be muzzled, and preferably not exercised around other people where they may be at risk.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the dog doesnt have to be destroyed if it hurts someone on private property
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If they break in and the dog is upset by there being a stranger acting weirdly in somewhere where he's used to there only being one of two people, he's going to defend his 'turf' especially if that person is holding his mum up with a knife. Shame that if my dog were to bite somebody who stabbed me, he'd be put down, but the assailant would only get a few years in prison :rolleyes:

    If your dog took a bite out of someone holding you with a knife he is more likely to be in the local paper as a hero, not put down.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sounds like my local paper actually.. hehe
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    If your dog took a bite out of someone holding you with a knife he is more likely to be in the local paper as a hero, not put down.

    yeh, i got saved from muggers/assaulters (both involve trying to beat me up) by someone elses pitbull

    strangely enough when i was patting it afterwards it was barking at any asian person who passed (as it confused them and the muggers)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    Apologies about the editing, I originally posted a half-completed version of this post. My mistake. :blush:

    Back to the thread... earlier today, I had another look at the story about Tony Martin. According to Wikipedia, he has since his release "appeared on the platform of the United Kingdom Independence Party and has also endorsed the British National Party. Both parties have advocated changes in the law to stop prosecutions of people attacking intruders, as well as less restrictive firearm controls.". Suddenly, I feel uneasy about all this. The BNP were obviously trying to latch onto people's fears, which is what far-right parties always do, but the fact he was prepared to associate himself with these basketcases implies he isn't the "great" man that I originally considered him to be. I'm still not absolutely convinced he deliberately set out to kill Fred Barras, but I was wrong to say he's misunderstood. There's obviously something not right about him.
    I'm surprised it takes his associating himself with the BNP for you to realise there is somthing wrong with him.

    Perhaps you weren't aware of the full facts of the case? Nobody disputes that Martin took careful aim and shot while the kid was running away. His life was in no danger whatsoever- of that there was no doubt either, not in Martin's mind, not in anybody else's.

    So basically he murdered a human being as a punishment for breaking and entering and/or to prevent him running away with property of his.

    That's all you need to realise what kind of man Martin is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would shoot someone if they came in my house, possibly even if they were running away I would take a pop, although I'd probably go for a leg shot.

    I think people are missing the principle here.

    It's not the fact someone wants to steal my stuff, I mean, that pisses me off, but I have insurance, it's the fact someone BROKE INTO MY HOME.

    If I saw them nicking something out of the garden or my car from out front then I'd try and give them a slap but that would be it.. but not in my house..

    Your house is where you are supposed to be safe and secure, and where my fiance and son can relax and also feel secure.

    My fiance suffers anxiety/panic attacks and depression and was agrophobic for a long time, something like that happening in my place would have serious knock on effects, I would probably have to move, and she would never be the same again so yeah I'd fucking shoot, if they got aggresive towards me, I'd be aiming right between the eyes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would shoot someone if they came in my house, possibly even if they were running away I would take a pop, although I'd probably go for a leg shot.

    I think people are missing the principle here.

    It's not the fact someone wants to steal my stuff, I mean, that pisses me off, but I have insurance, it's the fact someone BROKE INTO MY HOME.

    If I saw them nicking something out of the garden or my car from out front then I'd try and give them a slap but that would be it.. but not in my house..

    Your house is where you are supposed to be safe and secure, and where my fiance and son can relax and also feel secure.

    My fiance suffers anxiety/panic attacks and depression and was agrophobic for a long time, something like that happening in my place would have serious knock on effects, I would probably have to move, and she would never be the same again so yeah I'd fucking shoot, if they got aggresive towards me, I'd be aiming right between the eyes.

    Lots of people suffer anxiety attacks and feel vulnerable even though their home is "safe," no excuse though for killing someone just because they break into your house. I'm surprised at your post though, thought you would have a bit more sense.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know it is not in line with my usual process of thought but implying that I am somehow stupid/inferior for my decision is a bit insulting to be honest.

    However, if anyone forcefully enters my house, and my child is there, they are going to be on the receiving end of something.. If they were running away I doubt I would do anything, but otherwise, if they are in my house, it would be act first, question later.

    I will never have my sons safety brought into question, I would do anything to ensure his safety first and I have no shame in that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I know it is not in line with my usual process of thought but implying that I am somehow stupid/inferior for my decision is a bit insulting to be honest.

    However, if anyone forcefully enters my house, and my child is there, they are going to be on the receiving end of something.. If they were running away I doubt I would do anything, but otherwise, if they are in my house, it would be act first, question later.

    I will never have my sons safety brought into question, I would do anything to ensure his safety first and I have no shame in that.

    I didn't insinuate that you were stupid or inferior mate.

    And if you felt for one second that your son's, yourself or your wife's life was in danger then by all means do what's neccesary to get the cunt. But acting violently just on the sole merit that someone was just looking a bit of loot then it's not really on. The law is on our side, even more so now than a few years ago, no need to act violently and cause serious harm or death to anyone.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    So you condone shooting someone in the back after running away from a house? Sick, sick man.

    I don't think Territ is sick at all i think the blokes got a point.

    If someone comes in threatens your family/safety/secruity(sp) and is trying to nick your stuff then I think you have ever fucking right to defend yourself against him and if that means shooting then so be it the thieving prick shouldnt be there in the first place !! (to make it clear i dont actually mean kill cos thats a bit strong unless he was trying to kill the persons house he came in)

    i feel quite strongly about this cos a few of my mates and done house robberies and i think its sick stealing stuff from someones house while they are all alseep. PLus quite a few people i know like family friends and that have been burgled before too and i feel sorry for them. ... anyway
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And I suppose the kid "breaking into" his garden to get his ball back deserves a lead sandwich as well, does he? Hypothetically, of course.

    dont be so ridiculous !
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote: »
    They certainly don't. What I've discovered over the years is, the P&D boards is stuffed full of lefties and communist sympathisers. They hate dissent and anyone who doesn't agree with their view of the world. They insist on giving me a hard time, despite the fact I agree with them on some things. (such as the war in Iraq being a terrible mistake, that Bush is a disaster for the USA and so on...) It doesn't help that the moderators sympathise, if not agree with, with their viewpoints. What else would explain the fact the more right-wing users get such a hard time from them?

    I actually agree with you.
    But maybe sometimes you make things harder for yourself, i ment that nicely though
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't think Territ is sick at all i think the blokes got a point.

    If someone comes in threatens your family/safety/secruity(sp) and is trying to nick your stuff then I think you have ever fucking right to defend yourself against him and if that means shooting then so be it the thieving prick shouldnt be there in the first place !! (to make it clear i dont actually mean kill cos thats a bit strong unless he was trying to kill the persons house he came in)

    i feel quite strongly about this cos a few of my mates and done house robberies and i think its sick stealing stuff from someones house while they are all alseep. PLus quite a few people i know like family friends and that have been burgled before too and i feel sorry for them. ... anyway

    Defending yourself is one thing (I don't think anyone would disagree that you have the right to defend yourself). Shooting someone in the back when they are running away is another thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I actually agree with you.
    But maybe sometimes you make things harder for yourself, i ment that nicely though

    "the P&D boards is stuffed full of lefties and communist sympathisers"

    *snigger*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Calvin wrote: »
    Full Story

    A homeowner has been arrested and quizzed by police after an intruder he confronted during a burglary fell out of a fourth floor window. The burglar, 43, was left fighting for his life after he tumbled up to 40 feet when he was disturbed rifling through through the flat.

    Whats your feelings on this subject ? (taking the story on face value)

    Im of the opinion that any burglar who enters your home is 'fair game'.

    I totally agree that any response should be reasonable i.e.. I dont think torturing the burglar once they are apprehended is acceptable, but if someone breaks into your property while you're home and tries to rob your possesions then they must expect the homeowner to defend themselves....

    even if that does invlove throwing a burglar out the window to protect themselves and their family.

    Thoughts :chin:
    Long thread. I'm only up to about page 6, but I just looked at the link and it seems the Mail has updated it. The burglar died of his injuries. The article doesn't say if the man was pushed or slipped or anything, it just speculates that he may have been forced out onto the ledge. We won't be hearing his side of the story now, whether we felt inclined to believe it or not. It's a job for British forensic experts, and we know how good they are.

    There are convicted burglars one would be quite content to socialise with (as with my sister-in-law's husband, falling foul of the law when you're young and stealing from houses to pay for drugs doesn't mean the rest of your life is fucked), and there are householders you would run a mile from. Nothing's cut and dried.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Uncle Joe wrote: »
    Nothing's cut and dried.

    :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yerascrote wrote: »
    I didn't insinuate that you were stupid or inferior mate.

    /QUOTE]

    Sorry, I get techy working night shifts lol :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For those that haven't heard the police have announced there isn't a case to answer and the guy won't face any charges
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good result imo!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the fall was accidental or the homeowner was defending himself from attack the outcome is good.

    If however it had been the case that the homeowner overpowered the burglar and then threw him out of the window as punishment/revenge but the police cannot prove this then it wouldn't be good at all. We shall never know.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Uncle Joe wrote: »
    There are convicted burglars one would be quite content to socialise with (as with my sister-in-law's husband, falling foul of the law when you're young and stealing from houses to pay for drugs doesn't mean the rest of your life is fucked), and there are householders you would run a mile from. Nothing's cut and dried.

    Sister-in-laws husband, isnt that more commonly known as a brother?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Sister-in-laws husband, isnt that more commonly known as a brother?

    :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    budda wrote: »
    Sister-in-laws husband, isnt that more commonly known as a brother?

    Depends if your sister-in-law is your wife's sister or not...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Depends if your sister-in-law is your wife's sister or not...

    :confused:

    As opposed to...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've been thinking about this for a while... it's almost like one of those puzzles you have to solve. :D

    How can you get a sister-in-law who is not married to your brother? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    How can you get a sister-in-law who is not married to your brother? :confused:

    If your twice removed pet goldfish died in Chernobyl then the rules are different.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote: »
    I've been thinking about this for a while... it's almost like one of those puzzles you have to solve. :D

    How can you get a sister-in-law who is not married to your brother? :confused:

    Your partner's sister? Are they also called sister-in-law?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :confused:

    As opposed to...


    I have a brother in law and his wife is my sister

    I have another brother in law who is my wife's brother - his wife is not my sister.

    So Uncle Joe could easily have a sister in law who's husband isn't his brother...
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