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Gay Marriage
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So gay marriage has passed and as prophesied hetrosexual marriages all over the UK are crumbling...
I'm really pleased this has gone through as it means we're one step closer to proper equality. Though I doubt I'm likely to ruffle too many feathers with that opinion around TheSite! Some of the arguments against it were the most ludicrous clutching at straws I've ever come across.
I was doing a few quick sums this morning and the vote broke down as follows:
45% of Conservatives voted against.
9% of Labour voted against.
7% of Lib Dems voted against.
Anyone any other thoughts on the matter?
I'm really pleased this has gone through as it means we're one step closer to proper equality. Though I doubt I'm likely to ruffle too many feathers with that opinion around TheSite! Some of the arguments against it were the most ludicrous clutching at straws I've ever come across.
I was doing a few quick sums this morning and the vote broke down as follows:
45% of Conservatives voted against.
9% of Labour voted against.
7% of Lib Dems voted against.
Anyone any other thoughts on the matter?
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Um.
I'm just still howling with laughter at the Church of England shouting about the "sancity of marriage". There's a delicious irony in a Church, set up so a King could go fuck another woman, saying that gay marriage will destroy the sanctity of marriage.
How do we find out?
For Labour and the Lib Dems less than one in ten people voted no. It's the Conservatives who made up the vast majority of the votes against, and is that really surprising?
Conservatism is a mental disability and there's only one cure: an injection of lead fed into their temple at high speed.
The beeb have got a vote breakdown, its where I read it. But votes are usually released in a range of places
Would you like to elaborate?
My MP for home didn't vote either. Hmm.
The attitude towards the 126 or whatever has been downright disgusting. It's as if anyone voting against the Bill is a raving "Kill all poofs!!" type. Some of them may well be anti-gay, who knows. But the vote was a simple yes/no so if any of them were not actually "grab your pitchfork, let's murder some gays" types then it was unfair, they get labelled as 'homophobes".
It could be they felt the time isn't right for gay marriage, they may have genuine debatable misgivings for voting no but the vitriol aimed their way is childish and absolute hypocrisy.
I'm not saying MPs are beyond criticism - hell I'll slag them off all day - but it's more of the "If you're not with us you're against us" mentality that I can't stand.
The problem is, well, they don't have a good argument for why they are voting against it except bigotry. (I actually understand the conservatives are having a tough time as they are the party that represents traditionalists, unfortunately many of whom will be bigots).
One example of a strong argument: Gay Marriage is "Wrong on principle" - Bob Blackman
You were doing really well until you got to that point.
I am happy to sympathise with them if they have a good reason why they shouldn't be labelled as bigots for voting in what appears to be a bigoted way. It would be like me promoting segregation and then being upset when people call me racist. Maybe there's a non-racist, happy reason for segregation. I think its reasonable for people to call you out for holding a position that appears to be bigoted.
As is, they've just said they're pretty upset by all the harsh names people have called them. Aww diddums
The only arguments I've seen are that it's 'ideologically wrong' etc.
I would also strongly disagree that there's a 'if you're not strongly with us you're against us vibe'. People aren't being heckled because they're not joining in with the pride parade - they're being called out on their shit for voting to deny a human right (as per UN) based on someone's sexuality.
The thing is you just don't know what their reasons are. I have no idea if any of them have gone public with their individual views but you (and others) have decided it's simply easier to write them off as 'bigots'. Circular reasoning must surely be the next step.
"If you're not with us...."
The Conservatives are revolting!
(sorry)
I havent yet seen a reason, which leads me to infer bigotry. If someone can point me towards a better argument then I'll listen to it, but haven't found one myself.
Absolutely, no arguments there.
So in the absence of a reason you create one? Sounds more like an agenda at work to be honest.
You don't know what their reasons are unless you watched the debate on it in parliament, you mean? If any of them have got some ground-breaking non-bigoted reason for opposing gay marriage, you'd think this would've been the perfect time to bring it out. But I haven't heard of anything particularly new, and all of the old arguments I've heard have ultimately been based on bigotry (or appeasing those with bigoted views and the power to decide whether you have a job). Of course, I didn't watch the entire day's debate, so feel free to point to any arguments put forth that you think qualify as non-bigoted reasons for opposing gay marriage.
Again, so in the absence of a reason it's easier to assume one. Hell you might even be right. But this stinks of a witch-hunt.
There's no absence of reasons at all. The reasons to oppose gay marriage are widely publicized, and every one of them is steeped in bigotry.