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How do we view feminism?
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Perhaps it would help you to think of feminism as feminismS, some people like to think of it in terms of waves, where others prefer to think of interweaving movements with splinter sensibilities.
Wanting gender to not be a statement is... a feminist notion, or at least it can be -perhaps you can expand what you mean geneve?
What I find frustrating about your posts is that you seem to think that 'feminist' is a negative thing, and yet you have views, want freedom and choice for yourself over childrearing, work conditions, buying a property etc. To me, these are all feminist concerns.
Wanting gender to not be a statement is... a feminist notion, or at least it can be -perhaps you can expand what you mean geneve?
What I find frustrating about your posts is that you seem to think that 'feminist' is a negative thing, and yet you have views, want freedom and choice for yourself over childrearing, work conditions, buying a property etc. To me, these are all feminist concerns.
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And no one is ranting about anything, but that's a rather nice, loaded, dismissive term for you to use, one that's frequently used to discredit anyone who voices feminist views.
But anyway, I can see there's no point debating anything with you, and as I find you pretty unpleasant in general, I think I'll make good use of the ignore function.
Like I was saying about the 'waves' or movements, there is not just one aim or goal with feminism, not just one opinion. It might interest you to look at 'equality-feminism' or other feminisms where people think that the aims of the first and second 'waves' have been achieved, and so concern has shifted to things like men and maternity leave so that equality for the genders looks at both (I mean all but for simplicity I'll say both) genders.
So, do you shave your legs, armpits or anywhere?
That's a perfectly valid point - it's worth remembering that to have a useful debate within our rules you don't need to undermine other opinions to express your own.
Which goes for all sides of this inevitably heated debate...
it's a shame that you have such a negative view of feminism. i think it's unfair of you to disparage so many viewpoints in favour of calling them 'rants'. if no one 'ranted' or 'aired their views' then how would anything be achieved?
if you think that there is no need to 'rant' then take a gander at kaff's thread. i'll post the link here in a sec..
edit here: http://vbulletin.thesite.org/showthread.php?t=140864
It's not uncommon - great rant about it here - http://www.thesite.org/community/reallife/rants/feministfury
are all feminists hairy?
this is not strictly a female issue. i shave my face because socially that is considered the norm. both men and women feel social pressures to look good.
Actually sex and gender are not one of the same; while your sex is fixed gender isn't.
I just think it's interesting how you say you 'couldn't give two hoots' yet felt the need to fill out the gender box which was optional on your profile page. I mean for someone who doesn't give 'two hoots' you're making a pretty clear statement.
i think the 'term' feminism is the big problem really. change the naaame!
I agree
oh. you hadnt responded so i assumed she had answered your question. if you dont agree with that then what about this part?
quoted from kaff:
A box that was optional, if you don't like labels and see gender as irrelevant why fill it in?
Geneve ticking ‘female’ when signing up to TheSite is hardly a knock down argument against her questioning the usefulness of labelling oneself ‘a feminist’. In fact, it’s a pretty ridiculous refutation.
Girl afraid, I see where your coming from, but labouring the point about something geneve genuinely probably didn't think about or consider is probably not the best way to challenge someone's perceptions of gender importance.
geneve, this is a forum for young adults, not a playground (I think that's the last time I heard the word loon) and as Jim said, it's perfectly possible to get your point across without resorting to insults.
What do you think about feminism?
Shaving the face, or at least around the mouth, aids the non-verbal cues used to subtly refine communication, and as such it has some reasons beside the entirely aesthetic, and isn't directly comparable.
Sack, back and crack waxing is more a more appropriate comparison.
i think equality is good.
I wouldn't be happy calling myself a feminist though, too many famous woman spouting man hating crap call themselves feminists. I'd rather no lump myself in with them.
Fuck labels, I just believe in equality that's enough for me.
Using the definition above I'd have no problem calling myself a feminist.
whatever. my point is that we all feel social pressures to groom ourselves. i dont want to walk around unwashed smelly and hairy just to make a political point.
I think it's easy to be missunderstood when you say you are a feminist, especially as it means different things to different people.
I don't think anyone would tell you that you should. My point to geneve was one that linked what is personal to what is political, not specifically anchored in shaving, it was just to make an example.
I pretty much agree. Self-labelling isn't consequence free, and as such I'd feel far more at ease arguing for equality than having to disassociate myself with various areas of disagreement and preconceptions about feminism.
How does this relate to the post you quoted from me?