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FAO: Londoners - Tube Strike Tomorrow
BillieTheBot
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Not happy with £40k to drive a fucking train in a straight line, those fuckers at the RMT are holding a Tube-wide strike tomorrow (Tuesday 9th) starting at 7pm lasting for 24 hours.
Which is going to fuck up my day no end.
Just so no-one gets caught without a way home.
Which is going to fuck up my day no end.
Just so no-one gets caught without a way home.
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Is it definitely only 24 hours?
Fuckers.
Hmmm luckily we can expense a taxi
oh wait.. I dont live in london, woot hahaha people, seriously though, they get 40k to drive a train, pfft i want them to build a tube on arran.
The main basis of the strike involves pay (TfL proposing inflation linked pay) and redundancies linked to safety critical roles.
Absolute bunch of fuckers. They were offered 1.5% and rejected it as they're holding out for 5%. At a time when many, many people are struggling to hold down jobs, this really is fucking out of order.
I couldn't comment to be honest, I don't tend to know an awful lot about the Underground. On the mainline it is more difficult to do but it has been known to happen. I imagine its possibly if the driver has gone into 'robot' mode and simply not double checked before opening the doors.
The main issues I understand are to do with cutting staffing levels on stations, particularly busy Z1/2 stations which are deep Underground. Some believe that LU would rather replace staff with 'help points'.
I think the main issues are linked to the possibility of pay cuts in the future and the fact the management are rumoured to have given themselves a nice raise.
It's escalated from there.
I don't think 5% is all that excessive a demand, inflation (excluding housing costs) is still running at over 4%. My union are kicking off about our pay negotiations so it would be hypocritical of me to criticise too loudly. But I hate the RMT and would love to see Bob Crow pass away painfully in his sleep.
Its not gross misconduct on the mainline........
Although the worst I've seen on the mainline was [insert intercity TOC here] setting a train off with all the doors still open.
In the mainlines case they operate a license based points system rather than 'if you make a mistake you're out'. I recall a recent incident involving the wrong number of doors being opened in SDO (selective door opening). The guard concerned recieved some hefty points on their 'license' and a few select words.
Once you reach your allocated points you are obviously removed from duties and have your safety certificates ripped up and then given options of other jobs rather than just being booted out on the street.
I work in an industry where we're not 'allowed' to make mistakes and if they happen we're required to file reports that go through certain procedures. The goal is to find out how to prevent things from happening again, not finding somebody to blame.
Where the work you do can put lives at risk, it is essential for staff to feel safe from being prosecuted if something goes wrong. I work with individuals that were prosecuted for mistakes and they're the most paranoid and nervewrecked people I work with. I doubt I'd be able to do my job safely if this was still common practice to hound employees and take them to court or sack them no questions asked.
It's enough punishment to know full well you have or could have killed people. No one I work with would risk lives on purpose. I doubt it's different for the drivers.
So I do understand if the union is not turning a blind eye to the employee getting sacked.
Yet we can jail people for eight years for 'death by dangerous driving' and can even jail them for 'death by careless driving' now.
Whilst I generally agree with your sentiments, some mistakes are so severe that a dismissal for gross misconduct is the only reasonable course of action.
Congratulations are due to the Daily Mail group I guess, because their decades-long campaign of vilification against tube drivers has certainly appeared to have worked.
Yet you are always going to need to research what happened and why it happened.
In some cases it's logical to put people on a temporary leave if they've made a big mistake but sacking them straight away is questionable. How does sacking one person fix the problem or prevent it from happening again?
I know of cases where dangerous mistakes were made, the people involved kept their jobs but it was decided to change how things are done so it couldn't happen again.
I however fully agree that in some cases you might be faced with gross misconduct and it's blatantly the individual at fault. I know if I showed up drunk or severely hungover at my job I'd get sent home with no guarantee of being allowed to return.
Well it would depend on the circumstances. Split second decisions in dangerous circumstances aren't the same as routine operations where you're not concentrating. Same as I wouldn't want to prosecute a surgeon who when someone is in cardiac arrest makes the wrong call. I would if he went in to remove an ingrowing toe-nail didn't read his notes properly and amputates the leg.
That there were no injuries is neither here nor there. The train could have been packed and someone could quite easily have fallen and got 40,000V through them.
Both are gross misconduct, and both deserved sacking.
The RMT and LU had an agreement that should a member of staff be unsuitable to work front line duties then they would be offered alternative work and further training. In this case that agreed policy appears not to have been followed. The same policy applies to almost all TOC's and is one that most companies are happy to follow.
Its the same on the railways. Clearly the RAIB don't consider it a huge massive dangerous incident as they haven't decided to investigate it.
Mistakes are of course rare but when working 9½hr shifts underground in complete darkness with many hundreds of stops in a shift there is the small potential for errors.
The TfL website says it is
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/tube/default.html
I notice a few other its and pieces still running (most of the Piccadilly line for example) so its not unfeasible that they are still going.
Couldnt give a toss about the other lines, aslong as the northern line is working. :thumb:
No. Once everyone who was working before 7pm finishes their shift the network will close down.
Doing the hardest exams of my life, on the days they are striking, whilst they decide to complain about a 40.000 grand job.
Fucking assholes.
And I don't get it, why does the TFL website say some places are still running and some are suspended? URGH!
I tried to explain that above.