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How about equal rights then?
As it's another human, like. You know, the right not to be murdered because you are coming along at an inconvenient moment in a relationship or career?
I don't think you're going to find me using emotive language very often. Emtoive language even less. Although I am very fond of the emtoive people, they make such good chutney. My position on this is pretty obvious really. once the tiny human can live on it's own, then it's a person, until it can it's part of the bigger human. Luckily, this is why all sensible debate is around when this moment is.
Its a woman's right to choose. She takes the priority. Her body, her choice.
Even the religious christian zealots can't argue against (even though they do) as the bible states that life and conscious etc is when you draw breath for the first time after birth.
the religious types are keen to twist things for their own advantage.
trouble is, I can't remember where the quote I know about comes from, and I can't be arsed searching through the whole book for it lol.
By 'live' do we mean breath, eat, shit, think? Some people are suggesting that a 22week/24/28 whatever week old feotus can 'live' but it wouldn't without a whole shed load of medical intervention so I don't really think it's valid.
So children up to the age of about 5 aren't alive? they need almost constant care and attention too, don't they?
How about old folks on their way out? They ain't living if they are dependant on others, are they?
Are there really that many humans who can get by without some kind of help from other humans?
I'd much rather 10,000 legal and well regulated early abortions than one at home woman at her wits end with a coat hanger.
I'm not going to quote something saying otherwise, even though I can, but I want you to quote the book chapter and verse where it says that. If you were quoting a news source, everyone else would expect nothing less. I've never read anything to suggest what you've claimed the bible says, so I would like you to show me where.
Look, I read a the bible before and been taught about it by experts and covered many aspects of religion in my education so I do know what I am talking about.
Unfortantely recreational reading of the bible isn't my thing, except for Revelations thats one hell of a book, and unlike the zealots I don't memorize chapter and verse. I am not going to look through the whole thing to find the one quote.
So belive me or don't. I don't mind. I just made a point. Say I havent backed it if you will, fine. I just honestly can't be bothered to search through the book to find it.
It doesn't change my opinion on abortion anyway. Also has has been said up there, there are conbtradictions in th ebible anyway and even more on the beliefs of the followers, plus its all open to interpretation anyway.
I agree also with what is said up there about illegal abortions would be lucrative an down right dnagerous. To suggests banning all abortions is just ridiculous.
I totall agree with abortions.
I do not think tey should be undertaken lightly or used as contracpetion however. One woman I saw speaking on the subject said her friend had at leats 12 abortions as she nevcer uses any contraception and uses abortions like contrapception. I don't agree with that and that woman should be ahsmed and have some serious words with herself, however I wouldn't take away the right for her to have an abortion.
Abortion is legally and morally right in my opinion and its time to end the ridculous scare tactics and campagins o he so called "pro-lifers". Maybe they should get a life themselves.
That is so utterly ridiculous I can't form a coherent response.
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This does my head in. When I make suggestions, you rubbish them, yet never propose an alternative. Rubbishing ideas just for the hell of it. It's pissing me off. Now, what do you propose? Ideally, you'll give us a straight answer. But I'm not holding my breath.
To paraphrase Chris Morris for a moment - "That is fact. There is no real evidence for it, but it's fact."
Now, any chance of anyone actually giving some straight answers in this thread? Or am I wasting my time? As I said, it was merely a suggestion, I'm just trying to consider all possible routes here. Unlike some of you, who have closed your minds to any debate about this a long time ago.
Thats 'cos they're shit suggestions. Get over it.
So you have a personal pov, you don't care if it has any basis in fact but you're gonna use it to force your views on everyone else.
Nice.
You asked a question? Where?
what are you on? drugs???
did I say I made it up?? Becasue I can't be bothered to look up a big ol book with hundreds of verses in?
just coz I don't agree with what the woman did, doesn't mean you should limit a womans right to have an abortion.
Have you been on this site at all ever?? my views are constantly trashed on here. I do take it alot actually.
The pro lifer view is a befuddeld mess. The movement is a disgrace., the disgraceful tactis they use ar edeplorable and I detest it.
They should put down there placards and get on with their onw lives. A womans body is her own business.
Blagsta: Zalbor took issue with the fact that I referred to the pro-foetus side as anti-choice. Given the tactics they employ to scare/shame/guilt women out of aborting, not to mention their attitudes to women who die of illegal abortion, it's a nice way of saying it.
I did give you a straight answer. My proposal to reduce the amount of women facing abortions would be education, support, advice and understanding. Even if these things worked to an extent, I'd propose taking away the choice to abort if it was the woman's choice.
Don't say that I'm not giving your straight answers, or that I or others aren't proposing alternatives. Not that we really have to do either, to be honest. I think it was a ridiculous thing to suggest.
(1) Do you believe that abortion laws in the UK are the right ones?
(2) Would you support a reduction in the 24-week time limit that currently exists?
(3) At what point do you believe personally that a foetus becomes a baby?
Just to see where everyone roughly stands on this.
(1) Yes, although it should be made easier to get an abortion
(2) No
(3) I don't know
Happy now?