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Shut it! you're talking shit as usual...
This isn't the Middle Ages anymore.
No offense, but not once have you even shown any knowledge on the subject of religion, just arrogance, sweeping statements that wouldn't even get you a pass at SAT level and what appears to be delusions in your own perception of reality.
de·lu·sion
n.
The act or process of deluding.
The state of being deluded.
A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
Psychiatry. A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
I'm sorry, but reading your original (and in my opinion, bigoted) post YOU are the one who appears deluded. Since when could you read minds?
Am I the only person who thinks this?
If anything this thread has proved it.
Tbh, I think klintock will wake up one day and realise he doesn't exist... and so he will disappear in a puff of his own logic (...paraphrasing the great Douglas Adams).
like catholics and protestants born in different areas of ireland say ...or sihks and jwews.
what of the ardent atheists ...who come to believe through observation and study ...to believe?
these include scientists ...people switching religion because they 'believe' ...they have at last ...found the truth ...
klintock ...your ignorance and dreadful bigotry realy is showing more and more.
your attitudes are very close to those of the racist mind.
I don't exist. There is no such thing as me. Pretty obvious really.
I am very bigoted towards the religious. I don't like nutters much.
there are many well educated people who see evidence of a creator.
you are proving beyond doubt that it is you who is full of shit klint.
with sweeping generalisations you condemn millions to the funny farm.
you are indeed a bigot ...and a very small minded one at that.
By the way, if you're going to be bigoted, at least sound like you know what you're talking about... Did you even do Religious Studies in school (if indeed schools exist, or you even went to one)? Have you ever read a real book or website on religion?
I don't understand how you can transform the argument into whether or not 'belonging to a group' is a big enough trade off for the problems it causes. I never said organised religion is a good idea. Quite the contrary, in fact I don't really agree with it. But I do think some people who participate in it are arguably happier than spiritual people who don't.
Nope. Just how people organise their thoughts. It's not even difficult to do.
sorry are you talking about all religious people? yet another generalisation, you can't force people to believe anything you can only share your belief, big difference........sometimes i wish i could though, seriously just to shut you up
No, you can't force people to share your belief, unless you are in charge of their schooling. Even those who you haven't schooled you can force to ACT like they believe you which is of course what happens.
Anyone who thinks their way is best will eventually pick up weapons to get you to join in.
What do you think of those religions? If you have even heard of any other than Islam or Christianity.
eta: i don't know why people keep trying to reason with him when its clear he's given up on reason, concerning this thread anyways......
They are quite ridiculous and pointless. What do you think of them?
Reason and religion ? A marriage made in heaven or hell ?
this thread by the way isn't about religion or wether god exists or not ...it's about klintock knowing that NO ONE ...realy believes in god. even those who have changed their religions or started off as atheists.
klintock claims to know who believes what. he speaks for the whole earth remember.
he also presents the reading of body language into a fine art ...a science even.
this is the guy who is totaly against tax ...money ...working for others ....often boasts about liking the company so much ...he purchased it!
something obviously went terribly wrong for this self proclaimed font of wisdom as he now works for the NHS.
business studies obviously wasn't his strong point either.
I chose Baha'i because of their tolerence towards other religions and based on their belief that the Divine channels his/her messages through many different prophets of many different cultures. Essentially, whatever god or deity you are speaking to, you are speaking to the same being. In Baha'i equality also transcends things like sex, caste, race and so on...
Quite a contrast to the oppressive people he seems to describe.
Baha'i info can be found here in case you don't know a lot about it.
The Jains practice non-violence (apparently to the extreme of a fruitarian diet according to some sources), some are so tolerent as to work in temples of other religions. Allegedly, Gandhi was influenced by Jainism.
So to claim that if religious people get power they want to turn you in to a 'cultist' or 'servent' and to kill you or whatever, or even the notion that all religious people are violent nutjobs or want to convert you every chance they get is not true. That is like saying all cats are white... Some cats are white, but most aren't. There are cats of all different colours.
What do I think about Baha'i? I think it has some interesting concepts although it isn't hard to see why the followers are so persecuted. The idea of equal rights for women is remarkably radical for the time and place when it came about. However, whilst the religion preaches equality it still asks for homosexuals to remain celibate if they cannot convert (although doesn't go so far as to say 'kill the fags') which kind of contradicts the idea of equality as, whilst it doesn't reject science it does reject scientific findings that say homosexuality is natural. I think philosophically, from what I have read of Baha'i it seems like a beautiful religion. What is so ridiculous about religious tolerence? What is so ridiculous about gender equality?
Why do you think Baha'i is ridiculous (if you've really heard of it.. You haven't displayed any proof of having done so, but I hope the link opens your mind a little)?
Jainism... To call Jainism ridiculous is to insult a great deal of what India is built upon and their culture. Again, I do not see how you can call the idea of equality 'pointless'... I'll admit I am not an expert on Jain Dharma (I'm sure you know what 'Dharma' is and probably think it's pointless too), I'm looking in to Eastern religion and philosophy at the moment for pleasure and I don't see how you can call it 'pointless' or 'ridiculous' at all without studying it deeply... And to study it deeply and truelly understand any of it you'd have to study hard... For a lot of years.
But it'd be interesting why you hold such a low opinion of Jainism.
Long winded post... Sorry!
(And probably the type I won't ge a reply from)
Yeah, I knew t'was at Klintock really.
I do not think there are profound differences between different religions. You are looking into what I would call the details, whilst I am looking at a broad overview. So, whilst I can see and acknowledge the differences you note, some of which you detail below, I find that these diferences are from within a structure that encompasses all religions thereby making them similar and me labelling them all pointless and ridiculous similarly. The similarities, the elements I find ridiculous and pointless, include but aren't limited to: the notion of a 'god' and any human/written messenger thereof, a 'soul', an 'afterlife', etcetera et-ungodly-thinking-wench-cetera etcetera...
Have only read a couple of pages about, and only since you mentioned them. They do seem to have the elements I find 'pointless and ridiculous' but I haven't found any reason to believe that any followers would be inclined to opress others violently... Probably harmless? I do like the bit about everyone speaking to the same god though, as an image of thousands of different gods that differing religions praying to, sitting around on clouds in the sky, has often amused me.
Think we agree there then.
Your own point about the hypocrasy of tolerance displayed in their treatment/beliefs regarding homosexuality confirms that the religion is ridiculous. (for me anyway)
I'll get back to you...
Quite alright. Wasn't that long and was interesting and on topic.
Oh moonrat of little faith...