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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    see the simple things and the simple people are what brings your whole pipe dream crashing down.
    you want that everyone in your new world order be a philospher ...understand the complexities of running a nation ...an economy ...a world.

    Care to quote me where I've argued for anything remotely like that?
    well guess what blag ...a larger percentage of people realy don't give a toss and never will.
    they have families to take care of and beer to drink.

    your going to reducate them all of course ....and it would so obviously have to be done against their wishes.

    Why do you bother posting here mr? You very rarely actually engage with the points posted, you just seem to respond to what you imagine people post.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I No one has stood up and said, no thanks, I don't deserve more control over my own life, ?
    i believe living in blags world i would have less control and less choice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    I find it quite interesting that all the arguments against going the anarchic way are brought from fears about other people.

    No one has stood up and said, no thanks, I don't deserve more control over my own life, I am a bit of a fuckwit and need managing.

    No, it's always those other buggers who need to be shoved about and made to behave, isn't it?

    For once klintock, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    For once klintock, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

    Damn!!!! Hang on, I'll come up with something........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:


    You very rarely actually engage with the points posted, .
    pot and kettle come to mind.

    your always tossing this kind of crap in.

    your chasing the wind ...wasting your time and the vast majority of people will never wish to live in blagoland.

    cos it won't fucking work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    pot and kettle come to mind.

    You can't actually quote me can you?
    your always tossing this kind of crap in.

    What kind of crap? That you constantly engage with what you imagine I wrote rather than what I actually wrote?
    your chasing the wind ...wasting your time and the vast majority of people will never wish to live in blagoland.

    cos it won't fucking work.

    Except you can't tell me why. You can't even answer any questions I put to you. I don't get why you bother posting here. :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i believe living in blags world i would have less control and less choice.

    Except that you have nowt to base that on do you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Except that you have nowt to base that on do you?
    well this thread has got rather long ...how many people who have contributed would appear to share your views?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What do you base your opinion "that it won't work" on? Can you actually quote me where I said that I can see it happening anytime soon?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What do you base your opinion "that it won't work" on? Can you actually quote me where I said that I can see it happening anytime soon?
    my opinions are based on your attempt to sell this crap to the world.
    maybe it's just your bad communication skills that are killing a great idea.

    i know damn well you haven't made such a quote ...your not dumb enough to actualy try explain how and when this might work as this thread has shown all to clearly.

    keep your get out clause mate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know what pisses me off? Having to constantly repeat myself on these type of threads. I have clearly stated my position on this umpteen times and in quite some detail, yet posters like mr conveniently ignore me when I actually go into detail, instead misrepresenting me as someone who never posts my views.
    However, I will post one more fucking time -

    I think that anarchism is an ideal to strive for, but what I don't see it as is some kind of future utopia. Yes, I'd like society to be organised along libertarian socialist lines, but I think that it is highly unlikely given the current state of things. I also agree that the theory is incomplete as it fails to take into account people's emotional states and inner worlds. A synthesis between psychoanalysis and socialism would be a better approach IMO.
    What I am concerned with however is spreading the idea that actually, people can have more control over their own workplaces and communities, that profit and personal gain does not have to be the driving force of innovation, that a better world might actually be possible. Most people are perfectly capable of deciding what is best for them, their families, communities, workplaces and environment - encouraging that and encouraging people to realise that they can actually fulfil their potential and that the way the world is currently organised to line the pockets of the few at the expense of the rest of us and that that is profoundly damaging to people's pscyhe's - that is what concerns me.
    I've never actually met anyone that wouldn't like more say in their life, wouldn't actually like to be renumerated the full value of their labour, who wouldn't actually like a world that was run for the benefit of people rather than profits. Have you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    my opinions are based on your attempt to sell this crap to the world.
    maybe it's just your bad communication skills that are killing a great idea.

    It seems to be more to do with your drug addled brain.
    i know damn well you haven't made such a quote

    So why ascribe to me opinions that I don't actually hold?
    ...your not dumb enough to actualy try explain how and when this might work as this thread has shown all to clearly.

    Jesus fucking Christ you blind hippy freak. I have stated (twice!)* my position on this. :rolleyes:
    .keep your get out clause mate.

    Quit the weed geezah, its fucked your brain.



    *and now a 3rd time
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    It seems to be more to do with your drug addled brain.



    So why ascribe to me opinions that I don't actually hold?



    Jesus fucking Christ you blind hippy freak. I have stated (twice!)* my position on this. :rolleyes:



    Quit the weed geezah, its fucked your brain.



    *and now a 3rd time
    i pressume you have a similar set of petty insults ready for those who dissagree with you who don't smoke weed or drink beer?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i pressume you have a similar set of petty insults ready for those who dissagree with you who don't smoke weed or drink beer?

    Only for fucking arseholes who constantly misrepresent me and refuse to read my posts, instead preferring to comment on what they imagine I wrote.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Only for fucking arseholes .
    arrogant as ever.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh fuck off. Why not actually read what I post? or do you just want a row?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Oh fuck off. Why not actually read what I post? or do you just want a row?
    dear oh dear ...ulcers next blag.
    you get in this state often in here ...with many people.
    please put me on your ignore list.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Seeing as you're ignoring a long and detailed post of mine, I'll have to conclude that actually, you just want a row.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Seeing as you're ignoring a long and detailed post of mine, I'll have to conclude that actually, you just want a row.
    i read the fucking thing ok.
    before i had even seen the fucking thing you had gone on to post your insults ...so fuck you.
    look at the times ...two minutes between your posts.
    people like you would be the main reason no fucker would want to live in your world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    dont argue with an idiot cos theyll take you down to their level ;p

    this will get us nowhere, every arguement is ripped apart by him saying 'where did i say that'. Either you or your site thing have said these things we're talking about.

    Think what you want, you know nothing of economics or how the world works if you think this can ever happen :)
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    muse- wrote:
    Think what you want, you know nothing of economics or how the world works if you think this can ever happen :)

    I hate to burst your bubble... but it can and does work? It is all down to the choice of current leaders, who favour the current system.

    I am though fed up of page of seemingly circular argument between people. ;p (Joke before flames start.)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i read the fucking thing ok.
    before i had even seen the fucking thing you had gone on to post your insults ...so fuck you.
    look at the times ...two minutes between your posts.
    people like you would be the main reason no fucker would want to live in your world.

    Oh stop being so dishonest mr. All you've done on this thread is misrepresent me and pick and choose which bits of my replies you respond to, without actually answering any of the points I put to you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    ... but it can and does work? people. .)
    where when?
    even blagsta hasn't gone that far ...or did i not read his posts correctly again?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    muse- wrote:
    dont argue with an idiot cos theyll take you down to their level ;p

    this will get us nowhere, every arguement is ripped apart by him saying 'where did i say that'. Either you or your site thing have said these things we're talking about.

    Well maybe you can quote me then. Oh no, you can't.
    muse- wrote:
    Think what you want, you know nothing of economics or how the world works if you think this can ever happen :)

    See, more proof that people don't bother to read my posts.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Oh stop being so dishonest mr. .
    when you had your operation they should have removed the shit your full of.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    where when?
    even blagsta hasn't gone that far ...or did i not read his posts correctly again?

    Every time people set up a co-operative business, every time people get together to stop a school being closed, every time people get together to stop their estate being sold off, everytime people house themselves by squatting disused property, everytime a group of mothers get together to run a creche on a non profit basis - these are examples of anarchism in action. You'd be right that most people don't give a flying fuck for the politics of it - but that's what anarchism is - people controlling their own lives. That's it.

    If its historical examples you want - read up about the Spanish Civil War, the Paris Commune, the history of squatting in London.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    when you had your operation they should have removed the shit your full of.

    Is that the best you can come up with?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    here's a couple of examples of groups putting it into practice without explicitly naming their politics
    http://www.haringey.org.uk/
    http://www.hackneyindependent.org/
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Is that the best you can come up with?
    you realy don't see the hypocrisy in that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    you realy don't see the hypocrisy in that?

    You're not making any sense.
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