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anyway on to the rest of my post fighting/violence should not really take palce at all and there is a reason why it is illegal
Agreed :yes: .
On a serious note, you can't reasonably treat a man hitting another man for something such as a verbal attack as the equal of a man hitting a women for the same reason. It's twisted logic.
Of course it's acceptable to use violence when provoked. It's part of growing up and a necessity of life.
If a guy is taking the piss and provoking you, he deserves to get bashed. Bashing women for the same thing is bang out of order. It's all related to evolutionary purpose, but that's another story.
if a guy tried to rape me i'd throw him to the ground and jump on his crotch repeatedly
...what about if they look at you funny? :rolleyes:
If someone taking the piss you take the piss back you don't smack 'em!
Surely your mother went over this with you when you were 8?
If you or a friend is in physical danger then fair enough but otherwise there's no need unless your trying to show off and if your over the age of 16 thats just fucking sad!
Why is it bang out of order? cause you say so?
Why were the London bombings bang out of order? cause you say so?
It depends on the situation. Personally I don't have a problem with people getting bashed for malicious behaviour, some people need kept in check.
it is should a human be allowed to hit another human.
it is wrong in my eyes.
in your opinion, how much of a role does social conditioning play in the fact that so many view hitting another human being wrong?
You're a cock.
He's right though.
As I’ve never sat in the pub and regaled tales with my thuggish mates about the guy I punched in the face last night, “cause he fought he woz well tasty", I’ve missed out on an important and necessary part of life have I?
Go tell it to Ghandi.
I think it's important to be able to stand up for yourself physically. It's a valuable skill.
Indeed it is.
There is a distinction between when you defend yourself and when you attack someone else though. You are never justified in starting a fight.
Every sensible adult knows that the initiation of force is always wrong.
I await your scenarios of in your face shouting and name-calling with baited breath.
Complete agreement.
My mates mother was once run down on purpose by a bloke who then left the car on top of her and ran away. My mate and his brother caught up with him and almost beat him to death. I think that was justified and so did the Crown Court.
If a man found out his child was being molested by some bloke next door I think he'd be justified in going round there and givign him a good kicking.
If I caught someone theiving from my house in the night I think I'd be justified to give him a bit of a kicking.
Do you disagree with any of those?
Nope. I said initiation of force mate. He started it.
Same again, defensive force to protect you and yours is fine IMHO. He started it.
Removing him from your house would be fine by me, kicking his teeth in afterwards would be excessive. Again, he started it.
To put the shoe on the other foot, are you justified in entering some elses house? Are you justified in molesting other people daughters? Are you justified in running away from the scene of an accident when you have hurt someone?
Initiation is where it lies.
So if you are provoked enough you are justified in using violence first?
If somebody spat in my face would I be justified in sparkign him out?
Nope. Provocation isn't initiation.
As far as I am concerned that's initiation, not provocation.
I would go for them automatically because the blink that I would have to do would give them an opportunity to put a serious hurting on me. When I was younger and an idiot this was one of my favourite ways of starting -
I spit - they blink -I break their nose - I play football.
Vioence isn't the answer - I know cos I have tried it.
Of course it is.
If somebody molested my kid 3 years ago and I only just found out, I'd go round and kick the nonses head in. I initiated the violence yet he provoked me.
It can be - to say that it's not is to be ingnorant to some basic human instincts. Violence is an instict found throught the whole animal kingdom because it works.
Why have different words for it then?
Nah, you are wrong about this.
No, he didn't provoke you, he initiated the use of force against you and yours. Pretty simple really. Provocation - stranger calling you names etc Initiation - someone hurting you or those in your care i.e. children.
Once your children become adults, they are responsible for looking out for themselves.
Yes, I think you will find on closer inspection that it's always at the most minimal level that can be done within nature for a really simple reason. The likelihood of self damage means that even hunting animals stay away from those likely to put up a decent fight.
That's your interpretation. Look up provovation in the dictionary mate.
Spliffe said that provocation is enough to justify violence and I still agree with that.
As for name calling. Say your kid was getting verbally bullied by another kid on a day to day basiss what would you advise your kid to do?
Ignore it? Tell tales? Or smack the little fucker back?
I would choose the third option.
When I changed school I was picked on, and it wasn't somethign I coudl escape. My old man used to work away so all I could to is complain to my mother. She tried talking to teachers and other parents which only made thing worse. Eventually my old man came home and bassically told me to get one on his own and give him a good kicking, which I did. I got supspended, my old man backed me up though which he said he always would, and when I went back to school no more problems.
I don't. That's life. You are wrong imo. As much as for anything else, because I can choose to be provoked by anything I like. If you can't control your emotions then it's your failing, not mine.
Same as you. I specifically said ADULTS. Kids have to learn stuff like "violence doesn't work" through experience, adults should have more fucking sense.
When you say "picked on" do you mean violence was used against you? Or did the nasty people call you names? If it was violence you are a mug for waiting if it wasn't you are a mug for letting it get to you.
That's simply because you think provocation is simply callign people names. Did you look it up in the dictionary?
I don't think my views on whats justifies violence are much different to yours to be honest.
eh? So you would advise your kid initiate violence dispite the fact that 'Adults should have more fuckign sense' and the fact that 'violence doesnt work'????
It wasn't violence and yes it did get to me, constant grief and verbal abuse will upset 9 year old kids believe it or not. Fucking idiot.
Yes. Yes I did. So let me get this straight...the way to get people who are acting unfriendly towards you is to smash their faces in?
I don't either. I just credit myself and others with more self control than you do to be fair. You probably think that other people cause you to feel certain things with words and gestures.
Yep. Got it in one. If he couldn't think of something likely to work first. You are talking about children imprisoned in ways that adults are not. If someone bullies you ate work, their are systems their to help you. You have freedom of movement. Surrounded by much stronger people and bars you are at a disadvantage and not free to walk away.
Yes, and my point is that adults have more options than 9 year old kids and should know better.
Still is a 9 year old a 'mug' for letting verbal abuse get to them?