child vegans are 'unethical'

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bongbudda wrote:

You dont get meat from milking cows.

Cheers - I guess their calves are bottle fed - lucky old Nestle....

Skive

freethepeeps wrote:

I wonder where milk and wool come from.....

Both those industries are tied in with the meat market. If everybody stopped eating meat you would find that these industries really suffered.

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I dont see the problem. if there wasnt the market for meat, of course not as many cows and pigs would be bred. So what?

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freethepeeps wrote:

Cheers - I guess their calves are bottle fed - lucky old Nestle....

You know, you would be the cleverest troll we've ever had, if you were clever and your posts anything more than just mildly irritating crap.

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bongbudda wrote:

You know, you would be the cleverest troll we've ever had, if you were clever and your posts anything more than just mildly irritating crap.

Yes, yes, I know you think I'm a troll. To be brutally honest, you're not the sharpest knife in the draw.

It was skive who suggested that if we stopped eating meat all the sweet little moos moos and baa baas would dispapear.

I thought it was bollocks then, and I think its bollocks now.

Skive

rainbow brite wrote:

I dont see the problem. if there wasnt the market for meat, of course not as many cows and pigs would be bred. So what?

So you'd be taking you nipper to the zoo to see a cow or a pig.

There are intensive farmign methods which need to be sorted but otherwise the animals I see don't have a bad life.

Skive

freethepeeps wrote:

I thought it was bollocks then, and I think its bollocks now.

So what about the little pigs then?

And we do sell ponies for meat BTW.

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Skive wrote:

So what about the little pigs then?

And we do sell ponies for meat BTW.

Oh, people would still keep pigs, cows and sheep.

It just isn't as simple as you made it out to be.

Intensive meat farming is horrible - and mostly hidden from the toddlers anyway.....

Skive

freethepeeps wrote:

Oh, people would still keep pigs

Why?

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Skive wrote:

Why?

Because they like pigs. And for leather.

The battery farms would all disappear though, which would be nice.

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Skive wrote:

You going to learn to ride a cow?

Cow hunting!

Skive

freethepeeps wrote:

Because they like pigs.

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Skive wrote:

You're just being silly now

According to the Rare Breeds Survival Trust pigs can play a specialist role in forestry work:

Their rooting habit can clear the floor of mature woodland of scrub plants and saplings such as bramble, bracken, roan etc. in much the same way as their forebears the wild boar once did.

ABC reports that scientists have used pigs to test the toxicity of sites.

Anyway, in all seriousness, how often exactly do you see pigs out and about?

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the vegetarian thing is a myth, you can eat very healthily without ever touching meat, the fact is most vegetarians don't have a clue what to eat (beans, nuts, soya products all have plenty protein.....)

i would be more worried about all the other crap parents are feeding their kids, everything in the shops these days is refined and almost useless to your body.......

Skive

freethepeeps wrote:

Anyway, in all seriousness, how often exactly do you see pigs out and about?

All the time.

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Skive wrote:

All the time.

Well, thats nice. I have to say that I've very rarely seen them in fields, though I see shitloads of cows and sheep. Perhaps they're more prevalent where you live?

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Skive wrote:

So you'd be taking you nipper to the zoo to see a cow or a pig.

There are intensive farmign methods which need to be sorted but otherwise the animals I see don't have a bad life.

If he wanted to see a cow or pig in the zoo, yes of course.
I dont generally take him to farms to see cows and pigs, I dont see what the neccesity is of children seeing every type of animal in real life. Zoos are entertainment, not necessary or even desirable really.

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Does anyone know about our primative ansestor the neadderthol? 60k years ago who would be wondering the frozen plains, standing only 5.6 inches tall, but this guy had a incredably powerfull build, his short muscular stocky build enabled him to survive extreme cold, But the reason he was so muscular was because of his diet of pure meat! He was a hunter, what i am saying is if we evolve eating plants we will get skinnier and skinnier maybe our brians will start to shrink, we have evolved to eat meat!

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rainbow brite wrote:

If he wanted to see a cow or pig in the zoo, yes of course.
I dont generally take him to farms to see cows and pigs, I dont see what the neccesity is of children seeing every type of animal in real life. Zoos are entertainment, not necessary or even desirable really.

How can there be so much brilliance in one poster?

rainbow brite - a voice od sense in a mad world

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bongbudda wrote:

You know, you would be the cleverest troll we've ever had, if you were clever and your posts anything more than just mildly irritating crap.

I think i must be missing something here. Why do people think FTP is a troll.
I agree with him a lot, yet noone calls me a troll.

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LOL posted at the same time.

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rainbow brite wrote:

I think i must be missing something here. Why do people think FTP is a troll.
I agree with him a lot, yet noone calls me a troll.

He doesn't like my politics..... or my snappy one liners


:impissed:

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I think everyone who eats meat should have some kind of coming of age ritual where they have to personally slaughter and butcher a pig or cow etc, so that they have some idea of what it is they are involved in, that the world is not such a nice sanitised place as it seems in the supermarket........

I'd be up for it........

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Well i blew a ducks head off, with a shotgun before, does that count?

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No, you should have to do it by hand.........

Skive

rainbow brite wrote:

I dont generally take him to farms to see cows and pigs, I dont see what the neccesity is of children seeing every type of animal in real life.

I just think it's sad if they only ever get to see a sheep or pig in a picture book.

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Toadbord i think your right, this would be a good part of man hood.
But killing a cow with your bare hands might take a bit of effort.

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Skive wrote:

I just think it's sad if they only ever get to see a sheep or pig in a picture book.

I see what you are saying, but to me it makes not much difference if I had to take my son on a special trip to a farm to see a cow, or take a special trip to a zoo to see one. They dont roam free round here.
most zoos already have a section for domestc animals. Its my sons favourite bit stroking the sheep.

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Isenheart8 wrote:

Toadbord i think your right, this would be a good part of man hood.
But killing a cow with your bare hands might take a bit of effort.

That might show you what are the natural animals for humans to eat then. maybe we should be sticking to things like chickens, rabbits, fish, that we might have half a chance with if it wasnt just done for us.
more research to show how health benefits of meat eating is a kind of swings and roundabouts thing http://my.webmd.com/content/article/99/105158.htm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=18905

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On the whole, junior peeps got her early exposure to farm animals at the City farm near us. If by some miracle the whole society stopped eating meat, then I'm sure there'd still be farms that kept animals for showing to the kiddies.