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Is it just me. or do those alleging the risks of cannabis sound just like the moralists of the 40s and 50s?
Anyway, quite a few people are allergic to peanuts, in a life threatening way .... should we ban peanuts?
Life threatening is, after all, very serious.....
Could just be you. Why not ask the others?
For my perspective, this isn't a moral issue though. It's a straight health one. Cannabis use has side-effects, some you like, some will harm you. Simple as.
The facts should be available, just as they are for tobacco smoking, and then people should be able to make their own mind up. IMHO.
But please don't pretend that it's risk free.
Please post a link where I suggested that Cannabis should be banned...
I don't think anybody has suggested that?
Sorry, I may have exagerrated. No-one said it was risk free.
Just like no-one ever said that smoking didn't make them cough occassionally, but that it still wasn't doing them any long term harm so what's the problem?
You don't seem to comprehend what i've been saying...
I've admitted there are SOME possible, potential risks...for some people.
I'll ask again - where is this mysterious horde of pot smokers from the 60's onwards who are suffering mental illness as a result of cannabis? Where are the statistics? No silly comparisons or analogies, please.
All we have are, as you say yourself, "associations and probabilities". It's not difficult to gather a group of "fucked up" teenagers, note that a considerable number have smoked cannabis, and then draw an association between their problems and cannabis use. Maybe you find that convincing, but I certainly don't.
Regular alcohol use is harmful to health, regular visits to McDonalds is harmful to health, sports can be harmful to health, just about everything has the potential to be harmful to health, but only a small amount of that potential is generally realised.
If people want to smoke cannabis, they have a basic human right to have access to a regulated, clean supply. I personally haven't seen anything which leads me to conclude that cannabis carries serious mental health risks, unless you've got pre-existing mental health problems or smoke heavily every day.
You know what the rationale for cannabis use is.
I don't have any need to relax/feel good/rebel.
I know people who have dropped out of society completely, been sent to YOI's/jail...etc etc. They've all been "fucked up" (for want of a better expression) before they smoked cannabis...just so happens they tend to veer off track at a time in their lives when they're also old enough to dabble with drugs.
I'd go as far as saying cannabis helps a lot of people who are "weird" anyway...fills a hole in their soul type thing...
But obviously that isn't something you could verify medically.
If it were legal...the supply would be clean.
When you buy hash in the UK, you're buying something which is made from an assortment of substances...some cannabis...tranquilisers...boot polish...glue...plastic...etc etc. Edinburgh University did a study on it, the results were pretty shocking.
Legalise it, and this isn't a problem anymore...
Don't "scan", read.[/QUOTE]
So there's hard evidence there is there? Not just "associations and probabilities"?
I think legalisation would go a long way to reducing the risks, cos then there could be advice on THC content, likely side effects of a particular strain, and a reliable source for the users own personal preference.
Right now, you don't know what you're getting till you've bought it and tried it. At least I don't have to get soap any more, since relaxation of the law, but I find some grass very agreeable and other stuff less so.
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And greater prevalence of mental health conditions in the UK...
Oh, and "associations and probabilities" are all we have to link smoking and lung cancer. Do you dispute that too?
Using association and probabilities to link smoking and lung cancer is considerably more straightforward than drawing a link between cannabis use and mental ill health.
A false association is not difficult to draw. Combine that with some reactionary vested interests...and there you go, enough "evidence" to cloud the issue and manipulate the public.
Moreover, if you're wanting to use evidence which at best is at best dubious, why not draw a conclusion from the levels of use in Holland, which haven't risen substantially since the law was relaxed...that's a notable indication, which, if was likewise the case in the UK, would render anti-legalisation arguments completely redundant.
Leaving aside the medical evidence, which you are determined to deny and/or downplay, I don't think anyone has a "basic human right" to be supplied with their chosen poison. Do I have a right to "have access" to food containing Sudan 1 dye?
this is a none fucking answer mate ...come on.
look ...people want to grow some nutmeg ...highly halluinagenic and tasty ...they can ...if they couldn't ...they would have to buy it on your beloved tax free money goes anywhere and everywhere blackmarket ...and people fucking would if they want to make a decent rice pudding.
what would illegal nutmeg be full of ...plastic diesel and boot polish ...or the old biblical times method which lasted into the 1980's of putting grit in with your barley ...
people are asking for honesty and control and nothing more.
licensed premises ...liciensed for smoking that is ...a cafe culture is fine with me.
The key word is 'Need'.
Most drug users do not 'need' to use, they simply 'choose' to!
A cafe culture would be great.
in this country the first ten years would see an explosion of cafes.
differnt music etc ...
no pissheads!
it would be fantastic and spin some real economic benefits into town centres and beyond.
What on earth are you on about?
I'm not downplaying anything...I had a look through that BMJ link, and there's some articles purporting to show a possible link between cannabis use and teenage mental ill health, depression, anxiety and so on. I don't think it's a trustworthy association...drug use is often a symptom amongst young people with problems, not a cause.
There are some potential problems for some people, i've never denied that.
And if you think that is the key point, you've gone mad :chin: .
Why would you want access to something potentially harmful, with no other potential use, when there's no doubt various alternatives which serve exactly the same purpose?
One of the most absurd comparisons you've made, and there's been more than a few.
To enhance life...you can appreciate things far better than if you were sober or drunk...music, tv, film, sex, humour, nature... just about anything really...
The fact that people want to deny others the right to access the plant is shockingly reactionary.
Liver damage, STD's and sunburn...
All potentially far more harmful than cannabis...